At Catechism and Confirmation class, children and adults must be taught to interpret Vatican Council II only rationally.

 

At Catechism and Confirmation class, children and adults must be taught to interpret Vatican Council II only rationally.

The Council is legitimate and not a break with Tradition. The Council has to be re-interpreted rationally. When it is interpreted irrationally it is not Magisterial. It is not Magisterial or Apostolic when the Council is interpreted irrationally. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc are always hypothetical. LG 8,14, 16 etc are not practical exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Council of Florence (1442) on EENS. - Lionel Andrades

The Catholic Church cannot change its teachings on divorce and re-marriage, based upon Vatican Council II irrationally, being a break with Tradition. We now know that the Council can only be interpreted rationally.

 

The Catholic Church cannot change its teachings on divorce and re-marriage, based upon Vatican Council II irrationally, being a break with Tradition. We now know that the Council can only be interpreted rationally. The popes were interpreting the Council irrationally and politically.

Pope Francis’ Amoris Laetita, Traditionis Custode, the Amazon Synod and the Abu Dhabi Declaration were based upon Vatican Council II irrational and not rational. -Lionel Andrades

The Italian Government must note that all the cardinals are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. Also all the schools, colleges, universities and seminaries are doing the same.

 

The Italian Government must note that all the cardinals are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. Also all the schools, colleges, universities and seminaries are doing the same. They interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA2, GS 22 etc, in Vatican Council II, as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church, in 1965-2023.Then they project these ‘physically visible cases, as being practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the Catechisms of Pope Pius X and Trent. There is a break with the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church. Even the Catechism of Pope John Paul II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church is interpreted irrationally (845, 846, 1257,847,848 etc).

This mistake at the Vatican and Italian Embassies can be corrected by interpreting LG 8, 14, 16 etc, rationally. There is a return to Tradition in the Catholic Church.

The media must stop calling those who attend the Latin Mass, traditionalists. Since when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally, even those who go for Mass in the vernacular, become traditionalists.

The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) and the sedevacantist communities like CMRI, MHT etc, produce division in the Church when they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. The traditionalist-liberal division ends when the Council interpreted rationally. There is no more theological liberalism. Innovation in faith and morals can no more be rationalized. Since the Council can no more be cited to support liberalism? LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, do not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215). The Council supports Feeneyite EENS. - Lionel Andrades

JUNE 29, 2023

The Italian Government must ask the Dept. of Education, Italy and the Congregation for Education, Vatican to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and honestly

 

The Italian Government must ask the Department of Education, Italy and the Congregation for Education, Vatican to only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so honestly. All the universities, seminaries, colleges and schools in Italy must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally, this must be obligatory.

All the pontifical universities and also the still-closed Terra Santa seminary of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate in Casalotti, Boccea, Rome, must only interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so ethically.

They must interpret LG 8, 14, 16, UR3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II as referring to hypothetical and physically invisible cases in 1965-2023.

They must not project these theoretical cases of LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So Vatican Council II interpreted rationally, with LG 8 etc referring to only speculative cases does not contradict the dogma EENS defined by the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442). Vatican Council II has a continuity with Tradition.The Council has a continuity with the Athanasius Creed, the Catechisms of Trent and Pope Pius X and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX. There is no break with the popes and saints in the historical Catholic Church in Italy. The Church today, with Vatican Council II, rational, has returned to the old understanding of Church, of the Papal States. -Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades

Catholic layman in Rome,

 Writer on the discovery of the two

interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, one rational and the other irrational.

One is interpreted with a false premise and

the other without it. One is Magisterial and  and the other, the common one, is non-Magisterial. An irrational interpretation cannot be Magisterial.

One is ethical and the other is unethical.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There cannot be two interpretations. This is a discovery.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational

 version which  is heretical, non-traditional,

and schismatic, when there is a rational

option which is traditional? Why must the

Italian government of Georgia Melloni be

dishonest? The popes, cardinals and bishops

choose the wrong interpretation. It is

irrational and so it is not Catholic.

 Blog: Eucharist and Mission (Lionel's blog)

: eucharistandmission

E-mail: liolandrades10@gmail.com

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All the universities only interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and consider this scholarship and research. They grant doctoral degrees and approve thesis.The students and faculty interpret Vatican Council II unethically and irrationally

 

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When the cardinals offer Holy Mass they are in a sense, not in the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church, since they interpret Vatican Council II etc irrationally and so change the understanding of the Creeds. This is a mortal sin in public.

 

When the cardinals offer Holy Mass they are in a sense, not in the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic Church, since they interpret Vatican Council II etc irrationally and so change the understanding of the Creeds. This is a mortal sin in public.

When Vatican Council II is interpreted irrationally and the conclusion is non-traditional we have the common liberalism. This liberalism brings disunity in the Church.There is division caused by Church doctrine and theology.There is a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Evangelization and New Ecclesiology.All this is produced with the Council interpreted irrationally.

When Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally i.e. LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are only hypothetical and invisible cases in the present times (1965-2023) the Church returns to the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no salvation. We return to the old morals, faith, mission and ecclesiology. There is no more division in the Catholic Church. Automatically we are back to the past.There is only Tradition with no liberalism. So it is necessary that cardinals announce that they will interpret LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, rationally. They must announce that LG 8 etc are only hypothetical cases. They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church in 1949-2023.

Not only are the cardinals interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally. This mistake has spread throughout the world. Even non Catholics in schools and universities are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally. The error has spread in and outside the Catholic Church.

Inter-religious dialogue and ecumenism have their theological foundation in Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally.

All the universities only interpret the Council irrationally and not rationally and consider this scholarship in research. They grant doctoral academic degrees to students who have their theological foundation in Vatican Council II interpreted with the common fake premise and nontraditional conclusion.

All this has to be changed immediately by interpreting the Council rationally and so returning to Tradition. The mistake in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (CDF) to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney must also be acknowledged. - Lionel Andrades

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Gli Apostoli ei Padri della Chiesa hanno interpretato razionalmente extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Papa Francesco, i cardinali e i vescovi devono fare lo stesso. Lo stesso deve fare il governo di Giorgia Melloni.

Gli Apostoli ei Padri della Chiesa hanno interpretato razionalmente extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Papa Francesco, i cardinali e i vescovi devono fare lo stesso. Lo stesso deve fare il governo di Giorgia Melloni.

  Nella festa odierna di San Pietro e San Paolo, la festivo annuale a Roma, in Italia con la chiusura degli uffici governativi e degli affari privati, non ci sono notizie del matrimonio del Primo Ministro Giorgia Meloni nella Chiesa Cattolica. Se muore oggi andrà all'inferno. Questo è l'insegnamento della Chiesa Cattolica. Papa Francesco non ne parla. Questo è un insegnamento Apostolico della Chiesa Cattolica. Ma papa Francesco non è apostolico quando interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II in modo irrazionale e non razionale. Lo stesso fanno il governo italiano e tutti i suoi ministeri. Interpretano il Concilio in modo irrazionale. Altrimenti, un Concilio Vaticano II interpretato razionalmente direbbe che tutti i non cattolici hanno bisogno della Fede Cattolica e del battesimo per la salvezza (per evitare le fiamme dell'inferno). Ma il Concilio può essere interpretato solo razionalmente. Questo è obbligatorio. Anche da un punto di vista laico non si può scegliere la falsa premessa per interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II e poi pretendere che ci sia una rottura con la Tradizione.

L'Italia ha una legge che sostiene l'aborto e né Georgia Meloni né papa Francesco ne hanno chiesto l'abrogazione.

I matrimoni omosessuali e la sodomia sono peccati mortali che portano una persona all'inferno e né Giorgia Meloni né papa Francesco ne hanno parlato.

Questa non è la Chiesa di Gesù: “Tu sei Pietro e su questa pietra edificherò la mia Chiesa…”

C'è una nuova fede e una nuova teologia morale con il Concilio Vaticano II interpretato irrazionalmente. La Chiesa è cambiata, da quando viene rifiutato il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus con presunti noti salvati fuori della Chiesa come indicato in LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 ecc.

 

Ma LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc nel Concilio Vaticano II si riferiscono a casi ipotetici, invisibili, impliciti, non visti nel 1965-2023. Questo non lo dice Giorgia Meloni o papa Francesco. Questi non sono personaggi conosciuti. Solo Dio può vedere se qualcuno si salva nell'ignoranza invincibile (LG 16) o nel battesimo del desiderio (LG 14).

Se Papa Francesco e Giorgia Meloni ammettessero che LG 8 ecc. sono sempre stati casi invisibili nei tempi attuali (2023), allora non ci sarebbero eccezioni menzionate nel Concilio Vaticano II per EENS. Quindi la Chiesa Cattolica tornerebbe al suo vecchio ecclesiocentrismo e un ritorno alla vecchia morale e alla fede. Allora Giorgia Meloni e papa Francesco sarebbero fuori dalla Chiesa, non sarebbero in comunione con Gesù e con la sua Chiesa.

Ora, con il Concilio Vaticano II interpretato irrazionalmente, possono fingere che esista una nuova teologia morale non giudicante. Possono fingere che il Concilio Vaticano II (interpretato irrazionalmente) abbia reso obsoleti EENS e il vecchio ecclesiocentrismo. Questa è una "rivoluzione", una "nuova rivelazione". ' nella chiesa. 

Ma con il dogma EENS intatto torniamo alla Chiesa Cattolica dei missionari del Medioevo. L'adulterio e il concubinato erano e sono peccati mortali di morale. Si applicherebbero al premier Meloni e al suo 'compagno'.

Anche Papa Francesco dovrebbe affermare il Credo di Atanasio che dice che tutti hanno bisogno della Fede Cattolica per la salvezza. Attualmente sta negando quel Credo interpretando il Concilio Vaticano II in modo irrazionale e non etico. Sta anche negando il dogma EENS fingendo che ci siano eccezioni pratiche menzionate nel Concilio Vaticano II.

Tu sei Pietro e su questa pietra edificherò la mia Chiesa e le porte dell'inferno non prevarranno...

Gli Apostoli ei Padri della Chiesa hanno interpretato razionalmente EENS. Papa Francesco, i cardinali e i vescovi devono fare lo stesso. Il governo di Giorgia Melloni deve fare lo stesso.'- Lionel Andrades

JUNE 29, 2023

The Apostles and the Church Fathers interpreted EENS rationally.Pope Francis and the cardinals and bishops must do the same. The Goverment of Giorgia Melloni must do the same.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/06/the-apostles-and-church-fathers.html

The Apostles and the Church Fathers interpreted EENS rationally.Pope Francis and the cardinals and bishops must do the same. The Goverment of Giorgia Melloni must do the same.

 On the feast today of St Peter and St Paul an annual public holiday in Rome, Italy with Government offices and private business’ closed, there are no reports of the Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni being married in the Catholic Church. If she dies today she will go to Hell. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church. Pope Francis does not talk about it. This is an apostolic teaching of the Catholic Church. But Pope Francis is not apostolic when he interprets Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally. The Italian Government and all its ministries do the same. They interpret the Council irrationally. Otherwise, a Vatican Council II interpreted rationally would be saying that all non Catholics need Catholic faith and the baptism for salvation ( to avoid the fires of Hell). But the Council can only be interpreted rationally. This is obligatory. Even from a secular point of view the false premise cannot be chosen to interpret Vatican Council II and then pretend that there is a rupture with Tradition.

Italy has a law which supports abortion and neither Georgia Meloni nor Pope Francis has demanded that it be repealed.

Homosexual marriages and sodomy are mortal sins which take a person to Hell and neither Giorgia Meloni or Pope Francis mentioned this.

This is not the Church of Jesus, ‘Thou are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church…’

There is a new faith and a new moral theology with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. The Church has changed, since the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is rejected with alleged known people saved outside the Church as mentioned in LG 8, 14, 16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc.

But LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to hypothetical, invisible, implicit, unseen cases in 1965-2023.This is not said by Giorgia Meloni or Pope Francis.These are not known people. Only God can see if someone is saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) or the baptism of desire (LG 14). 

If Pope Francis and Giorgia Meloni admitted that LG 8 etc were always invisible cases in the present times (2023) then there would be no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II  for EENS.So the Catholic Church would return to its old ecclesiocentrism.It would be a return to the  old morals and faith. Then Giorgia Meloni and Pope Francis would be outside the Church, they would not be in communion with Jesus and His Church.

Now with Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally they can pretend that there is a non judging new moral theology.They can pretend that Vatican Council II ( interpreted irrationally) has made EENS and the old ecclesiocentrism obsolete.This is a 'revolution' a 'new revelation' in the Church.

But with the dogma EENS intact we are back to the Catholic Church of the missionaries of the Middle Ages. Adultery and concubinage were and are mortal sins of morals. They would apply to Prime Minister Meloni and her ‘partner’.

Also Pope Francis would have to affirm the Athanasius Creed which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation. He presently is denying that Creed by interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically.He is also denying the dogma EENS by pretending that there are practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II. 

Thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hell will not prevail... 

The Apostles and the Church Fathers interpreted EENS  rationally.Pope Francis and the cardinals and bishops must do the same. The Goverment of Giorgia Melloni must do the same.'-Lionel Andrades

 

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Vatican Council II is dogmatic

 

 QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE LIONEL ANDRADES INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II

  

1.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

It does not use the common fake premise.It's a simple, rational and different way to read Vatican Council II.

 

2.What's so special about the Lionel Andrades interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)?

It does not use the common false premise to interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), invincible ignorance(I.I) and the baptism of blood(BOB).So there are no practical exceptions for EENS.EENS is traditonal and BOD, BOB and I.I are interpreted rationally.It's not EENS or BOB,BOB and I.I. Since the latter are not exceptions for the former.

 

3.Is the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Magisterial documents copy writed or trademarked?

No. Any one can use it. There is no charge.It is simply going back to the traditiional interpretation of Church documents, without the false premise. The false premise came into the Church in a big way, with the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(1949).

 

4.How did the Lionel Andrades interpretation of VC 2 emerge?

He kept writing on his blog on EENS and then discovered that Vatican Council II does not really contradict EENS if the false premise is avoided.

 

5.Is the LA interpretation of VC2 a new theology?

No. It is going back to the old, traditional theology of the Catholic Church by avoiding the false premise.It is the false premise which has created the New Theology.Without the false premise there cannot be the New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation, New Ecclesiology etc.The New Theology is Cristocentric without the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.Since exceptions were created to EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc, by projecting a false premise.The error was overlooked by the popes.

 

6.What about traditional, 16th century Mission doctrine?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II we return to traditional Mission doctrine. It is no more 'only they need to enter the Church who know about it', who are not in invincible ignorance(LG 14) Instead, it is all need to enter the Catholic Church with no known exception.Invincible ignorance is not an exception to all needing to enter the Church with faith and the baptism(LG 14).So we evangelize since all non Catholics are oriented to Hell without faith and the baptism of water( Ad Gentes 7/Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II. The norm for salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance.When I meet a non Catholic, I cannot assume or pretend to know, that he or she is an exception to the norm. If there is an exception it could be known only to God.I know that the non Catholic before me, is oriented to Hell( Athanasius Creed, Vatican Council II(AG 7, LG 14),Catechism of the Catholic Church(845,846,1257),Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX, etc).

 LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII

( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)

 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those  things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
 is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...

Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, 
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
 necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).

  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS CAN BE INTERPRETED WITH 1)THE RED PASSAGES BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES OR WITH 2)THE RED PASSAGES NOT BEING AN EXCEPTION TO THE BLUE PASSAGES.THE LATTER(2) IS RATIONAL.

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7.What about the hermeneutic of continuity or rupture with Tradition ?

With the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II there is no rupture with past Magisterium documents and neither do they contradict each other.We have to re-interpret past Magisterial documents though, which mention the baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance(I.I), as being hypothetical and invisible always.Being saved with BOD and I.I are always physically invisible, when they are mentioned in the Catechisms( Trent, Pius X etc) and encyclicals and documents of the popes(Mystici Corporis etc).They always refer to hypothetical cases only and are not objectively known non Catholics.If someone is saved outside the Church he or she could only be known to God.This has to be clear when reading also the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston.There is also no confusion when reading the text of Vatican Council II.LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3,NA 2,GS 22 etc, refer always to only hypothetical cases and so they do not contradict the Athanasius Creed.

8.Should the popes use the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

YES! Since presently the two popes are schismatic, heretical, non Magisterial and non traditional on Vatican Council II.It has to be this way since they use the false premise.It is only with the false premise, inference and conclusion that they interpret Magisterial documents. This can be avoided with a rational premise, inference and traditional conclusion.The result is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

  

9.What other advantage is there in knowing the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II ?

We read the text of Vatican Council II in general differently with the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.

’The red is not an exception to the blue’.The hypothetical passages( marked in red on the blog Eucharist and Mission, are not practical exceptions to the orthodox passages in Vatican Council II which support EENS, and are marked in blue.

For the present two popes and the traditionalists 'the red is an exception to the blue'. This is irrational.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

10.What bearing does it have on the liturgy ?

Without the false premise the Council is traditional. Vatican Council II is in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the missionaries in the 16th century.So we are back to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Catholic Church. When the Council is traditional there is no 'development of doctrine' or 'sprit of Vatican Council II'. Collegiality, Religious Freedom and ecumenism are no more an issue. So receiving Holy Communion on the hand can no more be justified with Vatican Council II.Neither can the Eucharist be given to the divorced and re-married, in the name of the Council.

Neither can the German Synod be justified by citing Vatican Council II.There is no theological basis in the Council, any more, for given the Eucharist to Protestants during Holy Mass.

  

11.What is the essence of this interpretation?

It is the listing of the rational and irrational premise, inference and conclusion. It identifies  two different premises with two different conclusions. So the rational premise produces a traditional conclusion and the Vatican Council II is in harmony with Tradition. It has a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition even though Rahner, Congar, Rarzinger and Cushing were present at the Council in 1965.

Collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty are no more an issue for the conservatives , when Vatican Council II is traditional. 

 Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 ecc. oin Vatican Council II refer to only physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

  

12.Vatican Council II is dogmatic ?

 Yes. Pope Paul VI and the liberals call Vatican Council II "pastoral" and not dogmatic. Since they do not want to affirm the rigorous interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).

 Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) while the hypothetical cases mentioned in LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc.  cannot be objective exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 in 1965-2021. So there is nothing in the text of the Council that contradicts 16th century EENS or the Athanasius Creed or the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX on there being exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

The Second Vatican Council affirms the dogma EENS with Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 .While the Council does not contradict EENS or Ad Gentes  7 and Lumen Gentium 14, with LG 8, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc. Since if someone was saved outside the Church, he would be known only to God. They are not part of our reality. They are invisible in 1965-2021.

When Pope Francis says that the Second Vatican Council is the Magisterium of the Church he must refer to a pro-EENS dogmatic Council with the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.

Without their false premise the Council is dogmatic. It supports the rigorous interpretation of EENS.This was EENS according to the missionaries and the Magisterium of the sixteenth century. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NS 2, GS 22 etc., in the Second Vatican Council, if interpreted rationally, cannot be practical exceptions to EENS. 

Invisible cases in our reality cannot be objective exceptions to EENS. For example, to get on the bus you have to be present at the bus station. If you are not physically at the bus stop it is not possible to get on the bus.

 Another example is, if there is an apple in a box of oranges, the apple is an exception since it is there in the box. If it was not there in that box it would not be an exception. Similarly LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3 etc.,refer only to hypothetical cases. We cannot meet or see anyone saved outside the Church, without faith and the baptism of water. So the Council is not referring to real people, known people in the present times.

 Unknown and invisible cases of the baptism of desire (LG 14) and of being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) cannot be objective exceptions for EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.There is no conflict.

So when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally it is dogmatic.

 

13 The bishops and the diocesan priests are in an irregular situation since they do not use the Lionel Andrades interpretation?

The Priestly Fraterniy of St. Peter (FSSP) for example, will have to offer Mass with the diocesan priests and Bishop Minnerath who are in an ‘irregular situation’.The false premise puts them in schism with the past Magisterium over the centuries and in first class heresy with the Creeds.

When they choose the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II it is not something knew in the Church.The innovation and newness came into the Church with the false premise,inference and conclusion.This is being identfied here.It is being pointed out to.So we are back to the original premise, inference and traditional conclusion of the Catholic Church. I call it the LA interpretation to identify it.I am presently the only one who is using it with reference to Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents.

 

14.Only the Catholic Church?

Since outside the Church there is no salvation according to Vatican Council II, the laity in Dijon, for example,  need an organisation or office to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King, in French politics.According to Vatican Council II membership in the Catholic Church is necessary to avoid Hell ( Ad Gentes 7- all need faith and baptism for salvation).They could name this organisation Only the Catholic Church, which until now is only a slogan.

The Social Reign of Christ the King can be proclaimed based upon the exclusivist ecclesiology of Vatican Council II.

The laity in Dijon, or any where else in the world, could organize candidates for political office in France, who will proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King in all politics, based upon the exclusive ecclesiology of Vatican Council II( interpreted with the rational premise) and Tradition ( Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX etc).Vatican Council II must no more be seen as a break with the traditional understanding of Mission, Ecumenism, Mortal Sin etc.

The Latin laity should not really be protesting outside the bishop’s office. They simply have to interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and it is the progressivists who will be upset.Since there could no more be a liberal catechesis, scout program etc, since the Council will have changed before their eyes.Change your premise and you change the Church.Ecclesiology depends upon the premise-used.So why protest if the ecclesiology of the Church today can only be traditional ? Where is the rupture with collegiality, ecumenism and religious liberty as in the past, when the Council is traditional, without the false premise ? Let the liberals come outside the bishop’s office with placards and banners, saying, ‘We don’t want to interpret VC2 rationally. Give us back our old Church of 1965’.

Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II 

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

 15.The Rite does not make a difference?

Once we are aware of the false premise,Pope Francis can create the Amazon Rite  and new rites, for the Mass.The  ecclesiology of the Church will not change.It will still be the same as the Traditional Latin Mass of the 16th century.

Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

 Fake premise

 Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

 Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

 Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades