Wednesday, May 30, 2012

SSPX’S BASIC PROBLEM IS ECCLESIOLOGY


Vatican Council II is ecclesiocentric since those saved with the seeds of the Word, in imperfect communion, a good conscience … are not known to us on earth.
In the Vatican-SSPX talks Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J and Bishop Charles Morerod O.P rejected the ecclesiocentric model. Since they assumed, and the SSPX agreed, that the baptism of desire etc were explicit. So for them there were exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) did not realize the common error at that time or they could have called for a correction in the two theological papers of the International Theological Commission.(1) The President and Secretary of the ITC were Fr. Luiz Ladaria S.J and Fr.Charles Morerod O.P.(2)

Even the SSPX bishops accepted this new doctrine and assumed that Lumen Gentium 16 was a contradiction of the traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism.

A new liberal understanding of Church (ecclesiology) emerged and Vatican Council II a traditionalist Council was given liberal interpretations.


The religious communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the USA who hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and reject the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are criticized. Critics include the SSPX.

So the basic problem of the SSPX with regard to Vatican Council II is ecclesiology. They need to see  the ecclesiology of the Council is as traditional (AG 7). (3)

The SSPX can affirm traditional ecclesiology with the literal interpretation of the dogma outside the church no salvation and also implicit baptism of desire, known only to God. In fact all religious communities can accept the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with implicit baptism of desire. This is the interpretation of the Church Fathers, Church Councils, popes, saints, Catechisms and Vatican Council I and II.

If the Vatican faults the SSPX it would be an error since over time the theological and doctrinal implications of this issue will be known to Catholics. The SSPX could make things easier for the Vatican and acknowledge in the public the Richard Cushing Error. They also need to remove WebPages (‘three baptisms’ etc) which criticize Fr. Leonard Feeney and assume there are three forms of baptism-all explicit.
-Lionel Andrades

1.

10. Exclusivist ecclesiocentrism—the fruit of a specific theological system or of a mistaken understanding of the phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus—is no longer defended by Catholic theologians after the clear statements of Pius XII and Vatican Council II on the possibility of salvation for those who do not belong visibly to the Church (cf, e.g., LG 16; GS 22).-International Theological Commission, Christianity and the World Religions 1997.


62…A theological evaluation of the religions was impeded over a long time because of the principle extra ecclesiam nulla salus, understood in an exclusivist sense.- Christianity and the World  Religions.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1997_cristianesimo-religioni_en.html

58. In the face of new problems and situations and of an exclusive interpretation of the adage: “salus extra ecclesiam non est”the magisterium, in recent times, has articulated a more nuanced understanding as to the manner in which a saving relationship with the Church can be realized. The Allocution of Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam (1854) clearly states the issues involved: “It must, of course, be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and that whoever does not enter it, will perish in the flood. On the other hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord”.


59. The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston (1949) offers further specifications. “To gain eternal salvation, it is not always required that a person be incorporated in reality (reapse) as a member of the Church, but it is necessary that one belong to it at least in desire and longing (voto et desiderio). It is not always necessary that this desire be explicit as it is with catechumens. When one is invincibly ignorant, God also accepts an implicit desire, so called because it is contained in the good disposition of soul by which a person wants his or her will to be conformed to God’s will”.-The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without Baptism-2007 ITC.
 (http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_index-doc-pubbl_en.html )

2.

Cardinal Luis Ladaria S.J Secretary Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith does away with the defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Limbo and Original Sin in the International Theological Commission position papers: CDF expects the Society of St.Pius X to accept all this
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/cardinal-luis-ladaria-sj-secretary.html

International Theological Commission (ITC) makes an objective, factual error in two of its published documents. Could they also be wrong about Limbo?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_2687.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html#links

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION USES PREMISE THAT IS FACTUALLY INCORRECT : LIMBO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission_29.html

The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html

INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html

VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html

VATICAN COUNCIL II REJECTS THE THEOLOGY OF RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vatican-council-ii-rejects-theology-of.html

Former Secretary of the International Theological Commission holds that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance are known to us and so an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/02/secretary-of-international-theological.html#links


3.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.

Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-ad.html#links