Cardinal Marc Ouellet has interpreted Vatican Council II as an 'ecclesiology of communion' without exclusive salvation in the Church

Cardinal Marc Ouellet has interpreted Vatican Council II as an 'ecclesiology of communion', with a 'Sacramental foundation', a 'Eucharistic ecclesiology' - which excludes the tradtional ecclesio-centric ecclesiology, with the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church.

 Like Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger he interprets Lumen Gentium ( LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc) as referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Church.
So there is no ecclesiocentric understanding of Church.Outside the Church there is known salvation for him in Lumen Gentium etc.
This is false. It is irrational.

Ecclesiology of communion is only a slogan. It is an attempt to support the New Ecumenism based upon the New Theology. The New Theology is created by assuming the baptism of desire(BOD),baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are objective examples of salvation outside the Church. So these invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to the past ecclesiocentric ecclesiology of the Church. 

This is all deception.

The New Theology is deception.

The ecclesiology of communion is based upon this deception.

Even if there is an ecclesiology of communion it does not have to contradict exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.-Lionel Andrades

By Marc Cardinal Ouellet September 15, 2012

Online Edition:
September 2012
Vol. XVIII, No. 6
The Ecclesiology of Communion,
50 Years after the Opening of Vatican Council II
by Marc Cardinal Ouellet


 https://adoremus.org/2012/09/15/The-Ecclesiology-of-Communion-50-Years-after-the-Opening-of-Vatican-Council-II/

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Vatican website omits an important aspect of Church . International Theological Commission interprets the Council with heresy and schism

The International Theological Commission has posted a document on the Vatican website Select Themes of Ecclesiology of the Second Vatican Council II (1984) in which it sees the Church as Necessary( in a general and vague sense), being founded by Jesus,as being  the New People of God, a Mystery,a Sacrament of Christ - but not with exclusive salvation.

It does not say that there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church and all need to be members with faith baptism(AG 7) to avoid Hell(for salvation).

The ITC interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise to create a rupture with the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition in general.So it is not possible to affirm exclusive salvation any more.

With the false premise, mixing up what is invisible as being visible the ITC changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II and so also the understanding of ecclesiology(what is the Church).

The ITC in two of its theological papers interprets LG 16 and GS 22 as being exceptions to the Syllabus of Errors and exclusive salvation. The ITC is irrational. We now know  there are no known examples of non Catholics saved outside the Church.

There are no objective exceptions to the understanding on all needing to be members of the Church for salvation.

So even if the Church is seen as a Sacrament,Mystery etc it does not contradict the traditional understanding of the Church being the Ark of Noah which saves in the Flood and  all need to enter (CCC 845).

There is nothing in Lumen Gentium to contradict the Syllabus of Errors, the Athananasius Creed, the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return and the rest of Tradition. This aspect of the Church is not mentioned in this document on the Vatican website.
This is a heretical interpretation of Vatican which creates a rupture with other magisterial documents. It is also a rupture with the past popes on ecclesiology etc.-Lionel Andrades

Why must I proclaim the Gospel with Vatican Council II being a rupture with the saints Francis Xavier, Robert Bellarmine and St. Ignatius of Loyola.There is no text in the Council which contradicts them in any way.

Why must I proclaim the Gospel with Vatican Council II being a rupture with the saints Francis Xavier, Robert Bellarmine and St. Ignatius of Loyola.There is no text in the Council which contradicts them in any way.

The Council is not even a rupture with the Early Christians; Early Catholics and their theology at Mass in Greek.There is no text in Vatican Council II for me, which contradicts St.Francis Xavier's understanding of Church he went to Goa, India as a missionary.

It depends upon who we see LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc .

For me Ad Gentes 7( seeds of the Word) are not a rupture with St. Francis Xavier's understanding of salvation, mission, ecumenism, faith etc but for the Bishops Conference of England and Wales, according to their website, it is rupture.

It all depends upon how you interpret Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

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It is the same Vatican Council II but two different interpretations. So when you evangelise when you proclaim Jesus and salvation are there exceptions in Vatican Council II to John 3:5 and Mark 16:16?

Explain these blog posts to any one and he or she wil agree that there is nothing in the entire text of Vatican Council II to contradict an ecumenism of return, the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors.

There is nothing in Lumen Gentium-the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church-to contradict the understanding of Church according to the Magisterium and missionaries of the 16th century.Vatican Council II is dogmatic.It supports the old dogmas of the Catholic Church.

This is not how Pope Paul VI and Pope Benedict  interpreted the Council but what I am saying here is there in the Council-text.It is always there before you.

Archbishop Lefebvre  did not know this.Cardinal Ottaviani did not know this.The SSPX bishops even after being informed are afraid to admit it.

The Council-text is there before us.We can look at LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being exceptions or not being exceptions to an ecumenism of return, the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors.

Are they exceptions or are they not exceptions for you? 

For me they are not exceptions but for Archbishop Lefebvre, in the past, and Archbishop Giacomo Morandi,Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine for the Faith(CDF),today, they are exceptions.

For Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, St. Benedict Center, NH, USA, they are not exceptions but for Archbishop Augustine di Noia,Adjunct Secretary,of the CDF they are exceptions.

It is the same Vatican Council II but two different interpretations. So when you evangelise when you proclaim Jesus and salvation are there exceptions in Vatican Council II to John 3:5 and Mark 16:16?-Lionel Andrades

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Those old Dominican sisters !

I knew many Dominican sisters. I did not really know them personally but they were prominent in their community. They had 'the old way' of interpreting Vatican Council II.Stereotype.Straight away they would say  "Vatican Council II says..." and for me it was "Vatican Council II does not say ....".Some of them were learned.They wrote books. They would pick up a false premise and write a book with it.They were good sisters. They grew up with Vatican Council II.Some were born after the Council.But now there is 'a new way' of looking at Vatican Council II and I don't think these Dominican Sisters can adapt.

The formation they had was based upon unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, being known and visible.So they would see the Council- like Reuters and Associated Press- being a 'revolution' in the Catholic Church.A 'new way to be Church'.But this is really 'old way' of interpreting Vatican Council II.

Some of those Dominican sisters have retired and others will do so soon.

The future Dominican sisters, will have a new way to interpret Vatican Council II and it is really will be the old way of being Church.-Lionel Andrades

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