When there is no false premise there is no liberalism, when there is no liberalism based upon the false premise, there is no New Theology. When there is no New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation, personally known salvation, there is no New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation and New Ecclesiology.The basis for modernism has been removed.Then the Profession of Faith and Bishops Oath of Office is coherent for all Catholics. -Lionel Andrades
Monday, November 30, 2020
When there is no false premise there is no liberalism, when there is no liberalism based upon the false premise, there is no New Theology. When there is no New Theology which says outside the Church there is known salvation, personally known salvation, there is no New Ecumenism, New Evangelisation and New Ecclesiology. The basis for modernism has been removed Then the Profession of Faith and Bishops Oath of Office is coherent for all Catholics
Without the false premise and inference we take the whole Catholic Church back to Tradition. There is no more the traditional-liberal division, since the theological basis for liberalism, which is the false premise, is no more there
Without the false premise and inference we take the whole Catholic Church back to Tradition.
There is no more the traditional-liberal division, since the theological basis for liberalism, which is the false premise, is no more there. -Lionel Andrades
I interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise so there is no rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.Every one else can do the same
I interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise so there is no rupture with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.Every one else can do the same. - Lionel Andrades
There is a Vatican Council II Cushingite and a Vatican Council II Feeneyite. It is Vatican Council II with a false premise and Vatican Council II without the false premise.When Archbishop Carlo Vigano says that Vatican Council II should be done away with, he is referring to only Vatican Council II, Cushingite.This is Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.It is an obvious rupture with Tradition.( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc )
There is a Vatican Council II Cushingite and a Vatican Council II Feeneyite. It is Vatican Council II with a false premise and Vatican Council II without the false premise.When Archbishop Carlo Vigano says that Vatican Council II should be done away with, he is referring to only Vatican Council II, Cushingite.This is Vatican Council II interpreted with the false premise.It is an obvious rupture with Tradition.( EENS, Syllabus of Errors etc ). - Lionel Andrades
When Vatican Council II is interpreted with a fake premise to create a rupture with the Athanasius Creed,Nicene Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc, it is a mortal sin of faith
When Vatican Council II is interpreted with a fake premise to create a rupture with the Athanasius Creed,Nicene Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc, it is a mortal sin of faith. - Lionel Andrades
Religious communities approved by the bishops and the Vatican, all over the world, have to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise, to create a rupture with th Nicene Creed, Athanasius Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a mortal sin of faith.It is better to remain a society in the lay state
Religious communities approved by the bishops and the Vatican, all over the world, have to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise, to create a rupture with th Nicene Creed, Athanasius Creed and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is a mortal sin of faith.It is better to remain a society in the lay state. -Lionel Andrades
Cardinal Vince Nicols interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas .The English, Beda and Allen Hall seminaries have to also interpret the Council with the irrational premise for an artifical hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition. This is also how Msgr. Andrew Faley at the Catholic Bishops Conference , U.K, interprets Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents
Cardinal Vince Nicols interprets Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas .The English, Beda and Allen Hall seminaries have to also interpret the Council with the irrational premise for an artifical hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition.
This is also how Msgr. Andrew Faley at the Catholic Bishops Conference , U.K, interprets Vatican Council II and other magisterial documents.. -Lionel Andrades
Poland, Slovakia and Austria's governments are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and this is approved by the Left in these countries. The traditionalists are not doing anything about it in these countries, since they do not want to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine
Poland, Slovakia and Austria's governments are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and this is approved by the Left in these countries. The traditionalists are not doing anything about it in these countries, since they do not want to affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to St. Thomas Aqquinas and St. Augustine. -Lionel Andrades
NOVEMBER 15, 2019
Jesus Christ must be King and Lord of all laws and politics ( Graphics) https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/jesus-christ-must-be-king-and-lord-of.html
NOVEMBER 14, 2019
The Catholic Church in the Netherlands must choose to be a Church of Martyrs, to survive.It must re-interpret Vatican Council II so that Catholics understand their having an exclusiveness in salvation
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-catholic-church-in-netherlands-must.html
NOVEMBER 13, 2019
Repost : Vatican Council II is in harmony with St. Augustine, St.Thomas Aquinas , Pope Boniface VIII etc on outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation(Graphics)https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/repost-vatican-council-ii-is-in-harmony.html
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JUNE 20, 2016Prof.Phillip Blosser, a Professor of Philosophy at Musings of a Pertinacious Papist and Tancred at The Eponymous Flower agree with me : hypothetical cases (baptism of desire etc) cannot be explicit for us in 2016http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/profphillip-blosser-professor-of.html
MONDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2016I even interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1995) as being Feeneyite. I use the same reasoning : hypothetical cases are not explicit in the present times. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/i-even-interpret-catechism-of-catholic.html
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errorshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html#links
CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUShttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links
I follow the Catechism of Trent in agreement with Vatican Council II and the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salushttp://eucharistandmission.
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 10, 2018
Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Sjizzarto must tell Cardinal Pietro Parolin to end the Leftist version of Catholicism in Hungary
The Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Sjizzarto must observe that during the millennial when Hungary was Christian(as he has mentioned in the video),Hungary was really Catholic and this was not the Leftist Catholicism of the present- day- Vatican.
He must tell Cardinal Pietro Parolin to end the Leftist version of Catholicism in Hungary, Poland and the rest of East Europe.
He must tell Cardinal Pietro Parolin to end the Leftist version of Catholicism in Hungary, Poland and the rest of East Europe.
Since George Soros and the Left control the Vatican, the Catholic Church in Hungary has to use an irrational premise which contradicts common sense.Only in this way the Leftists can change traditional Catholic Church- teaching, which was common during the time of the Austro Hungarian Empire.
At the time of the Austro Hungarian Empire the Hapsburg family taught that outside the Catholic Church there was no salvation and that Jesus should be the centre of all social and political legislation with the non separation of the Catholic Church and State. The Catholic monarchy worked in harmony with the popes.
Today the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) is rejected by the Catholic Church in Hungary, which is controlled by the Vatican.This has happened since the Left insists that Catholics interpret Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingite philosophy and theology, instead of the traditional and rational Feeneyite version.
So Catholics in Hungary have to accept a rupture with the dogma EENS, the past exclusive ecclesiology of the Church and the traditional doctrines on mission and salvation.
The Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin must be asked not to impose this Leftist, political correctness on the Catholic Church in general and especially, the Church in Hungary, Poland and the rest of East Europe.
The Catholic Church must once again be free to say that all non Catholics and non Christians need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.
The Leftists must not change Catholic doctrine on mission and salvation to meet their agenda of a New World Order with a new One World Religion.
The Hungarian Foreign Minister could help by announcing:- 1.There are no known cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I), with or without the baptism of water, which he knows of in 2018. This is common sense.
He could also ask Cardinal Pietro Parolin to make this same announcement.
2.He could announce that in the text of Vatican Council II, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical cases, only. This is common sense. So Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known over the centuries.
3.So it is false for the Left to insist that the Catholic Church claim BOD, BOB and I.I refer to objective people saved outside the Church and that these are personally known exceptions to the teaching on all needing to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation.
4.It is also false for the Left to insist that Vatican Council II is a rupture with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church, since LG 8,LG 16, etc refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church. Since if there were any such people they could only be known to God. We humans cannot see or meet any one saved outside the Church. So this is an irrational premise and inference being promoted by the Left and it is being imposed upon the whole Catholic Church including those in Hungary.
5.Also those who do not accept this Leftist interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS are threathened with the Anti-Semitic charge.We Catholics should be free to follow our Catholic doctrines with traditional theology.Non Catholics must not tell us what we should believe and what is permitted by them.They are also using this coercion on Catholics in Hungary.Why must Catholics repeat irrationally, that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible people saved outside the Church? Invisible cases are invisible! Why must Catholics repeat that unknown cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) or seeds of the Word(AG 11) are personally known and visible non Catholics saved outside the Church ? This is deception. There are no such known people.-Lionel Andrades
When the Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto says that Hungarian has been a Christian country for a millennium he means it has been a Catholic country - without the leftist doctrines on salvation of the present- day Vatican.
Hungary has been a Christian(Catholic) country for a millennium & will stay that way.”-Hungary Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/when-hungarian-foreign-minister-peter.html
Hungarian Foreign Minister, Peter Szijjarto, shocks CNN’s Christine Amanpour: “We reject multiculturalism”! “Hungary has been a Christian country for a millennium & will stay that way.”
https://gloria.tv/video/2yXUqkPcYptZAG1zxs8DCfcNM
OCTOBER 2, 2018
They have a choice in Hungary and Prime Minister Viktor Orban can ask that catechesis and catechism classes for children and adults be based on Vatican Council II Feeneyite and not Vatican Council II Cushingite
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/they-have-choice-in-hungary-and-prime.html
OCTOBER 2, 2018
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and the Rome Vicariate expect all priests, religious communities, religious sisters and lay Catholics to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with the strict interpretation of EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine.
The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and the Rome Vicariate expect all priests, religious communities, religious sisters and lay Catholics to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a rupture with the strict interpretation of EENS according to St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine. So hypothetical cases of Lumen Gentium 16 must be considered non hypothetical. Theoretical and invisible cases of Lumen Gentium 8 must be considered physically visible.Speculative cases of Unitatis Redintigratio 3, known only to God, must be considered, for them, as being examples of known salvation outside the Catholic Church. -Lionel Andrades
All religious communities and educational institutions in New Hampshire, USA have to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to continue to exist and be recognised by Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA. Those Catholics who do not use the false premise will be largely declared 'not Catholic'. This is a secular issue
All religious communities and eductional institutions in New Hampshire, USA have to interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise to exist and be recognised by Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA.
Those Catholics who do not use the false premise will be largely declared 'not Catholic'. This is a secular issue. -Lionel Andrades
Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA his Chancellor and Judicial Vicar and Curia are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and are not telling the truth to Catholics and non Catholics. This is a case for the State Legislature in New Hampshire, Massachusetts and New England,USA
Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA his Chancellor and Judicial Vicar and Curia are interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise and are not telling the truth to Catholics and non Catholics. This is a case for the State Legislature in New Hampshire, Massachusetts and New England,USA. .-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 30, 2019
Bishop Peter Libasci and the Chancellor want scientists in New Hampshire, to interpret Vatican Council II by violating Newton's Laws of physics.This is a credibility issue.For a doctor, engineer, lawyer or priest to confuse what is invisible as being being visible, even after being informed, indicates his sense of reality is different from the rest of mankind.
All the books available on Vatican Council II in the diocese of Manchester, USA have an error.They use irrational reasoning to reject the traditional teaching on the Church having a superiority and exclusiveness in salvation and that in Heaven, there are only Catholics.Bishop Peter Libasci will not correct this mistake and neither will the professionals, associated with the diocese.
The books on Vatican Council II have a mistake and there is no clarification or correction from the Diocese of Manchester or the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.
This is important.Since the Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester and the CDF wants the St. Benedict Center, N.H , to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). It is only then that they will the SBC legally accepted as Catholics and Prohibitions be lifted.This is expected of all Catholics in the diocese.
Catholic professionals in the diocese must inform Bishop Libasci that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II do not refer to practical exceptions to EENS. Since they are only hypothetical cases.This is a credibility issue.For a doctor, engineer, lawyer or priest to confuse what is invisible as being being visible, even after being informed, indicates his sense of reality is different from the rest of mankind.
Bishop Peter Libasci and the Chancellor want scientists in New Hampshire, to interpret Vatican Council II by violating Newton's Laws of physics.
The diocese discriminates on the basis of religion; religious beliefs.Those Catholics in the diocese who do not use a false premise and inference, to interpret Vatican Council II a rupture with the dogma EENS are labelled as legally not being Catholic.
Why should a Catholic scientist or engineer, in the diocese claim that unknown and invisible cases of being saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire or baptism of blood are known and visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so they are literal exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of EENS?
A Blue Mass was held recently by Bishop Libasci for Members of Law Enforcement, Firefighters,
and Emergency Medical Services, who interpret Vatican Council II with this irrationality.This is unprofessional for the police department and other professionals.
and Emergency Medical Services, who interpret Vatican Council II with this irrationality.This is unprofessional for the police department and other professionals.
A policeman who claims LG 8, LG 16 etc refer to physical bodies in the present times(2019) is out of touch with reality.
Yet this is the reasoning of Bishop Libasci and the CDF expects the SBC to supports all this for canonical recognition, like other religious communities, and to legally be called a Catholic.
SBC PATIENCE
I think the SBC must not take the issue to court.It is difficult when an irrational and unscientific bishop accuses Catholics of legally not being Catholic and this is only because- they do not interpret EENS and Vatican Council II with the irrational reasoning.The irrational reasoning creates a break with the traditional teachings of the Church.
The SBC must wait.More people understand the general mistake being made on Vatican Council II.
The scenario will change. This has now become a part of a broader issue - the interpretation of Vatican Council II in the diocese and by the CDF.
The bishop and the CDF will have to correct their irrational theological position.
Even though the SBC can challenge the bishop legally they should wait.This issue is no doubt a big cross for the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.-Lionel Andrades
OCTOBER 29, 2019
Brother Andre Marie MICM, has to violate the Principle of Non Contradiction and the laws of physics at the Newtonian level of matter, to be theologically acceptable for the CDF and Diocese of Manchester,USA.It is only then the Prohibitions 6 will be lifted against this Catholic religious community, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, who are not sedevacantists and nor in schism with the past popes and saints on EENS or Vatican Council II.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/brother-andre-marie-micm-has-to-violate.html
OCTOBER 25, 2019
Fr. Brian Harrison, Joseph Shaw, John Salza, John Lamont, Thomas Pink and others cannot say all need to enter the Catholic Church as members for salvation and not only those who know about Jesus and the Church. They cannot say this since they wrongly assume BOD, BOB and I.I 1 are objective examples of salvation outside the Church. It is the same for Bishop Peter Libasci, the bishop of Manchester, USA and his Chancellor.Their error comes from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston(LOHO) and the error was included in Vatican Council II.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/10/fr-brian-harrison-joseph-shaw-john.html
SUNDAY, MARCH 24, 2019
Bishop Peter Libasci and the CDF are in public heresy and need to recant.
The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, an ultra-traditionalist, schismatic, antisemitic group based in Richmond, NH, has been placed under sanctions by Bishop Peter Libasci after rejecting repeated chances to come back into compliance with Church teaching.
Damien Fisher (who is my husband) reported in the Union Leader that the Slaves can no longer offer the sacraments at their compound and cannot describe themselves as Catholic. These sanctions “could be ratcheted up if the group does not comply with orders by church leaders, especially orders to stop preaching the doctrine that only Catholics go to heaven.”-Simcha J Fischer
https://www.simchafisher.com/2019/01/08/nh-schismatics-slaves-of-the-immaculate-heart-of-mary-can-no-longer-offer-sacraments/
Lionel:
This is false.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church supports Brother Andre Marie MICM and contradicts CDF Secretaries Morandi and Di Noia and Bishop Peter Libasi, Bishop of Manchester,USA.1
Vatican Council II does not contradict the 'rigorist interpretation' of EENS. So why does the CDF and Bishop Libasci ask Brother Andre Marie to reject the strict interpretation of EENS?. 2
Why should Brother Andre Marie interpret CCC 846 according to the liberals and heretics and not me ? He is affirming CCC 846 and EENS, CCC 846 and CCC 847-848.He does not have to choose as the CDF Secretaries Morandi and Di Noia,want him to do.3
The CDF wants Catholic religious communities and lay movements to accept heresy and sacrilege otherwise canonical prohibitions will be placed upon them. 4
There are only Catholics in Heaven according to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and they are there with faith and baptism. 5
Bishop Peter Libasci assumes invisible people are visible.Then he claims that legally this is being 'Catholic'.6
Vatican Council II's Decree on Ecumenism ( Unitatis Redintigratio) supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.7
The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The CDF makes a mistake.8Yet the theological teaching of the St.Benedict Center is unacceptable to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith ?.9
Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior, St.Benedict Center, N.H, in the Diocese of Manchester has clarified that he affirms Vatican Council II(AG 7) in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He affirms the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846 etc) and Dominus Iesus. They are in harmony with EENS as it was known to the Magisterium in the 16th century. He also supports Dominus Iesus (20) which says salvation is open to all in general and to receive this salvation all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. This is also echoed in the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Notification on Fr. Jaques Dupuis s.j (n.7).10
So philosophically and theologically Brother Andre Marie and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are affirming Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents as it expected of Catholic religious.
They deny that they are Anti Semitic and so were initially accepted by the Diocese of Madison.
They are critical of the extreme Left Southern Poverty Law Center which considers Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church Anti-Semitic when they are interpreted in harmony with the traditional interpretation of EENS.
It is Bishop Peter Libasci and the CDF who must interpret Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church and EENS, rationally.They are presently denying that these magisterial documents are in harmony with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, an ecumenism of return and the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King with the non separation of Church and State.
Bishop Peter Libasci and the CDF are in public heresy and need to recant.
The St.Benedict Center are not schismatics.They accept Pope Francis.
They are not 'ultra traditionalists'.They do not reject Vatican Council II.Since Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church indicate that there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Church there is no salvation.
The St.Benedict Center are not schismatics.They accept Pope Francis.
They are not 'ultra traditionalists'.They do not reject Vatican Council II.Since Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church indicate that there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Church there is no salvation.
-Lionel Andrades
1
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/catechism-of-catholic-church-supports_23.html
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/the-catholic-church-is-unique-ark-of.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/members-of-religious-communities-and.html
2.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict.html
3.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/why-should-brother-andre-marie.html
4.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-cdf-wants-catholic-religious.html
5
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/there-are-only-catholics-in-heaven.html
6
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/bishop-peter-libasci-assumes-invisible.html
7.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-iis-decree-on-ecumenism.html
8.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-catechism-of-catholic-church.html
9.
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/theological-teaching-of-stbenedict.html
10.Letter Explaining Saint Benedict Center’s Doctrinal Stance
https://catholicism.org/letter-explaining-saint-benedict-centers-doctrinal-stance.html
ST.BENEDICT CENTER STATUS CHANGETHURSDAY, JUNE 20, 2019
Bishop Peter Libasci and Curia theologically support St. Benedict Center on EENS and Vatican Council II : both groups say BOD,BOB and I.I refer to invisible cases in 2019
From the Catholic Herald U.K,Why is the Vatican taking
action against the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
On October 20, 2016, Mgr Giacomo Morandi, the Undersecretary (and now
Secretary) of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) wrote
to the Slaves’ leader, Brother Andre Marie Villarrubia. Morandi called the
Slaves’ position on extra Ecclesiam nulla salus “unacceptable”...
Br Andre Marie said that he had been misunderstood. He did not deny either
the Catechism or Dominus Iesus, he insisted. On the contrary, he was
prepared to affirm a list of propositions from Morandi’s own letter.
It was a messy exchange, in which the participants could not even agree what they were debating. But Morandi had already had enough: he had concluded his letter by telling the Center that his letter “officially closes the discussion on this matter”...
When I asked him about the penalties, Fr Georges de Laire, the vicar for canonical affairs for the Manchester diocese, said that he “met with the [current] Undersecretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [Fr Matteo Visioli] this past May, and upon that conversation the Congregation made recommendations to us for steps that should be imposed upon the Saint Benedict Center and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. These are included in the precepts imposed on Monday, January 7.”...
The CDF (or at least Manchester) is taking great pains to make clear that
this dispute is about the dogma of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus and not about
the status of traditionalists in the Church more broadly.
The Diocese of Manchester Curia Member and Catechists affirm Feeneyite theology.There is no denial from the diocese. So even Bishop Peter Libasci would agree with Fr. Leonard Feeney, who said that there are no literal cases of the baptism of desire(BOD).
There are no literal cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) in 2019, is the consensus opinion in the Diocese of Manchester among the Curia.
When there are no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I and there are no practical exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) this is Feeneyite theology.
The St.Benedict Center, in New Hampshire and Bishop Peter Libasci agree that faith and baptism are needed for all for salvation(AG 7, Vatican Council II) and there are no literal exceptions to AG 7 and EENS in the present times.
So outside the Church there is no salvation and there are only Catholics in Heaven is the consensus among the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and Bishop Peter Libasci and his Curia.
It means Bishop Libasci, like Mary Ellen Mahon, the Director of Education in the Diocese of Manchester, are in agreement with the popes before Pius XII who affirmed the strict interpretation of EENS and recognised that BOD, BOB and I.I as being only hypothetical.The popes before Pius XII did not contradict Fr. Leonard Feeney since for them too, there were no literal cases of BOD, BOB and I.I to contradict EENS.
However the big issue is now Vatican Council II. Since hypothetical cases are just hypothetical for Bishop Libasci and his Curia, there are no exceptions to 16th century EENS, mentioned in Vatican Council II.Vatican Council II supports Feeneyite EENS for Bishop Libasci and Mary Ellen Mahon.
This is also the theological position of Brother Andre Marie,MICM, Prior at the St. Benedict Center.
Even for Matteo Visioli, the new under-Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, there would be no known exceptions to the 16th century interpretation of EENS.So for him too, there would be no known exceptions in 2019 to the traditional teaching on the Church having an exclusiveness and superiority in salvation and so there are only Catholics in Heaven.
-Lionel Andrades
TUESDAY, MARCH 19, 2019
Members of religious communities and prayer groups in the Diocese of Manchester, USA support Brother Andre Marie and the St. Benedict Center in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS
Members of religious communities and prayer groups in the Diocese of Manchester, USA support Brother Andre Marie and the St. Benedict Center in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) but they are afraid of Bishop Peter Libasci and the Jewish Left.So they do not comment in public.
I have e-mailed these blog posts to the religious communities, Curia members and the Catholic Charismatic Renewal and the lay groups in the diocese of Manchester.
I have mentioned that the Doctrinal Letter 1 of Brother Andre Marie MICM, Prior of the St. Benedict Center(SBC), N.H, in the Diocese of Manchester, written to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), is not posted on the Diocese of Manchester website.The Doctrinal Letter shows that Brother Andre Marie has accepted Vatican Council II,the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.He has re-interpreted them in harmony with the strict and traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
Brother Andre Marie has not chosen the political interpretation of Vatican Council II.He rejects the irrational version of Bishop Libasci and the CDF.
Brother Andre Marie has clarified the SBC theological and doctrinal position in his Doctrinal Letter 1. It is posted on the SBC website.It says that there are no personally known cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church in invincible ignorance.He also cited Ad Gentes 7 in bold italic text.It states all need faith and baptism for salvation.
So it is Bishop Peter Libasci who needs to cite Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church,Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and other Church documents rationally, They must also be in harmony with EENS as it was known to the Magisterium and the missionaries in the 16th century.Bishop Libasci must not create a rupture with the past. He now does this when he wrongly assumes that there are personally known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times ( 2016-2019).Otherwise how could there be exceptions to EENS for him ?
He also must not force his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II, the Catechism(1994), LOHO and EENS, upon the prayer groups and religious communities in the diocese.
It is Vatican Council II ( AG 7, LG 14) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846) which indicate that there are only Catholics in Heaven and outside the Church there is no known salvation.This has to be acknowledged .
None of the Superiors of the religious communities and leaders of the Charismatic Renewal in Manchester claim there are personally known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of EENS.
They know they would be irrational.
None of them will support Bishop Libasci and the CDF when they irrationally interpret Vatican Council II with political priorities and pretend that this is magisterial.Since this would be dishonest.-Lionel Andrades
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Letter Explaining Saint Benedict Center’s Doctrinal Stance
Letter Explaining Saint Benedict Center’s Doctrinal Stance
https://catholicism.org/letter-explaining-saint-benedict-centers-doctrinal-stance.html
https://www.catholicnh.org/community/lay-groups/prayer/
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https://www.catholicnh.org/community/lay-groups/prayer/
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MARCH 18, 2019
Vatican Council II does not contradict the 'rigorist interpretation' of EENS. So why does the CDF and Bishop Libasci ask Brother Andre Marie to reject the strict interpretation of EENS?https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict.html
FEBRUARY 26, 2019
Why should Brother Andre Marie interpret CCC 846 according to the liberals and heretics and not me ? He is affirming CCC 846 and EENS, CCC 846 and CCC 847-848.He does not have to choose as the CDF Secretaries. Morandi and Di Noia,want him to dohttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/02/why-should-brother-andre-marie.html
Injustice being done against the St.Benedict Center
Injustice being done against the St.Benedict Center
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/injustice-being-done-against-stbenedict_16.html
JANUARY 11, 2019
Theological Teaching of the St.Benedict Center unacceptable to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/theological-teaching-of-stbenedict.html
JANUARY 11, 2019
The CDF wants Catholic religious communities and lay movements to accept heresy and sacrilege otherwise canonical prohibitions will be placed upon themhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-cdf-wants-catholic-religious.html
JANUARY 11, 2019
CDF, Diocese of Manchester deception is not Catholic : nor ethical or honest even by secular standardshttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/cdfdiocese-of-manchester-deception-is.html
JANUARY 11, 2019
Athanasius Creed not accepted for a Profession of Faith in the Diocese of Manchesterhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/athansius-creed-not-accepted-for.html
JANUARY 12, 2019
There are only Catholics in Heaven according to Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and they are there with faith and baptismhttps://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/there-are-only-catholics-in-heaven.html
JANUARY 13, 2019
Bishop Peter Libasci assumes invisible people are visible : claims that legally this is being 'Catholic'https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/bishop-peter-libasci-assumes-invisible.html
January 11, 2019
Traditionalist cites Vatican Council II in support of Tradition - the Restoration has begun https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/traditionalist-cites-vatican-council-ii.html
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JANUARY 28, 2019
In Dominus Iesus the red is not an exception to the blue, the red does not contradict the blue : there is a hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, past exlcusivist ecclesiology etc)
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-dominus-iesus-red-is-not-exception.html
JANUARY 24, 2019
Vatican Council II's Decree on Ecumenism ( Unitatis Redintigratio) supports the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/vatican-council-iis-decree-on-ecumenism.html
ANUARY 26, 2019
The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : CDF makes a mistake
https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/the-catechism-of-catholic-church.html
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JANUARY 27, 2019
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