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17 July 1794: “Mother, permission to die?”

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2019/07/17-july-1794-mother-permission-to-die/

Militia Christi without a church in central Rome

The Militia Christi affirm the Old Ecclesiology of the Catholic Church and would attend Holy Mass in Latin, while rejecting Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and not affirming Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).

I too sometimes, would attend the Latin Mass with them,affirming the Old Ecclesiology, while rejecting Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and affirming Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).

I would also attend the Neo Catechumenal Way  Mass in Italian, on Saturday nights , at the Basilica of San Marco, opposite Piazza Venezia, also in central Rome.

Similarly I would attend the Prayer and Worship vigil of the Charismatic Renewal groups, in Adoration during the Exposition of the Blessed Sacrament,near Piazza Popolo, also in central Rome.Again, their concept of Church was new but for me it was still the Old Ecclesiology.

I think of some of the old ladies with whom I pray the rosary before Holy Mass in Italian.Perhaps for most of them the ecclesiology of the Church is still old.Possibly they reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite) and no one has told them about Vatican Council II(Feeneyite).It supports the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return.It supports the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King based on the strict interpretation of EENS.

Someone has to explain it to about every one in the Catholic Church that Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Feeneyism and the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, can also be interpreted as just being hypothetical cases. This is Feeneyism.

 

So then Vatican Council II is no more a rupture with the strict interpretation of EENS, the old dogmatic teaching of the Church accepted by the popes and saints and now penalised by the Left.

So one can be a member of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal or of the New Cathecumenal Way of Kiko Arguello and attend Mass in Italian and still affirm the Old Ecclesiology of the Magisterium and missionaries in the 16th century.We do not have to go for the Latin Mass.Since ecclesiology and theology does not depend on the liturgy or the Mass, as it is being made to look in the Militia Christi issue.

-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 12, 2018

All religious communities and lay movements can affirm Vatican Council II without the irrational premise, hypothetical cases are just hypothetical : no objection from CDF (Graphics)http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/all-religious-communities-and-lay.html

MAY 22, 2018

Ralph Martin would be interpreting the Catechisms as a rupture with the popes and saints on EENS and this would be official heresy and schism : but not for me with Feeneyism I have a rational , traditional and non heretical choicehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018_05_22_archive.html

MAY 22, 2018

Scott Hahn would want a re-evangelisation but Catholics would have to return to a Church, which rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, interprets Vatican Council II with an irrationality, uses a false premise to interpret the Catechism of the Catholic Church...   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/05/scott-hahn-would-want-re-evangelisation.html

FSSP priests and laity have the Latin Mass in Rome while the Militia Christi do not.

The FSSP priests and laity have the Latin Mass in Rome while the Militia Christi do not.The lay Catholic Italian community are not given a church to go for the Latin Mass .Over the last 10 years or more Sunday Mass has been  stopped by Bishop Ruzza, Auxiliary Bishop of Central Rome and Secretary General of the Vicariate in Rome.

The Militia Christi affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) in public but the FSSP does not.

The Militia Christi(MC) affirms the Social Reign of Christ the King but the FSSP does not.

The MC opposes the Gay movement in Italy, the FSSP does not.The MC activists actively opposes euthanasia.The FSSP is prudent.The MC openly opposes the Jewish Left this would be inconceivable for the FSSP.

The MC affirms Tradition while side stepping Vatican Council II(Cushingite).The  , the FSSP affirms  Vatican Council II(Cushingite) and so reject EENS( Feeneyite) the past exclusivist ecclesiology, an ecumenism of return, the Syllabus of Errors,the Athanasius Creed etc.

The MC would attend the Latin Mass with the old ecclesiology.The FSSP  accepts the new ecclesiology,based upon Vatican Council II (Cushingite) and EENS (Cushingite).

But the MC's interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS, is the same as those who accept the New Ecclesiology.

So the Latin Mass has been prohibited for Fr. Marco Hoffman and the members of the MC  in central Rome but it would be permitted for the FSSP.It is also allowed in other chapels and churches in Rome, but not for the Militia Christi.

The Militia Christ is in a continuity with the ecclesiology of the TLM in the 16th century.The FSSP is in a rupture.

The FSSP Mass should not be called the TLM or Tridentine Rite Mass. It could be called the Latin Mass in the Extraordinary Form/Rite with the New Ecclesiology.

Bishop Bishop Gian Rico Ruzza offers the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian with the New Ecclesiology.I attend the Novus Ordo Mass in Italian, in central Rome, with Old Ecclesiology.

Lionel Andrades

Remnant media must continue to reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite) but it must also support Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and then ask the Vatican(Rome) to come back to the Faith by doing the same.

 

It's good that the Remnant Newspaper and media  supports Tradition, the past popes , Church Councils and saints, all guided by the Holy Spirit.

But if the Remnant does not change its policy on Vatican Council II they will continue to be irrelevant and also be mistaken for being in schism.The liberal label those who correctly reject Vatican Council II( Cushingite) as being schismatics.

The Remnant must continue to reject Vatican Council II (Cushingite) but it must also support Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and then ask the Vatican(Rome) to come back to the Faith by doing the same.
 

Similarly it must affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite), like the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Center, New Hampshire and reject extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Cushingite).

Then Michael Matt and the Remnant will not being rejecting Vatican Council II.
 

They will be affirming Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and also extra ecclesiam nulla salus( Feeneyite).

The Remant must then ask the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX) to do the same.

Pope Francis will visit Albano, Italy on Sept 11 according to Bishop Semeraro, it is reported in the daily Avvenire.The headquarters of the SSPX in Italy is also in Albano.

The SSPX needs to know the difference between Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Feeneyite and Cushingite. Then they can ask Bishop Semeraro and Pope Francis to affirm a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II.

 Neither are the Remant or the SSPX discussing this issue. -Lionel Andrades

Roberto dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara did not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so they misled Catholics.In ignorance they read Vatican Council II superficially.

 
Roberto dei Mattei and Chris Ferrara did not interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so they misled Catholics.In ignorance they read Vatican Council II superficially.

Then they interpreted it as a rupture with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).The popes from Paul VI did the same.

Mattei and Ferrara would superficially read LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  as referring to known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.

In our human reality there are no such known cases.Vatican Council II could only refer to a hypothetical case, a theoretical and speculative person.

So they made a mistake.

Now after 50 years and being informed often, they need to admit their mistake.-Lionel Andrades 

July 17, 2019

Mattei and Ferrara read Vatican Council II superficially and wrote books misleading Catholics ( Graphics) 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/mattei-and-ferrara-read-vatican-council.html

Theologically CMTV is still teaching error

April 24, 2019

Repost : Everyone in Heaven is Catholic - Michael Voris 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/repost-everyone-in-heaven-is-catholic.html

 

Lionel: I agree with Michael Voris here.

However theologically there is no clarification from Church Militant TV(CMTV).Since for CMTV the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the view in an otherwise good Mic'd Up program on Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus hosted by Christine Niles,with Michael Voris commenting from Rome.

CMTV accepts the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 which says the baptism of desire etc,allegedly without the baptism of water,  are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS, expressed well by Michael Voris here on this Vortex.
 

Michael has in the past however also said that 'every one does not need to be a card carrying member of the Church'. Simon Rafe also supports this theological position of Michael Voris which is that of the liberals and traditionalists.

It is part of the new theology, based on a false premise, which makes the new theology contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.

It is this new theology which is part of the CMTV interpretation of Vatican Council II.

So Vatican Council II would say for the CMTV team that all need to enter the Church (AG 7, LG 14) but some do not need to do so (LG 16. LG 14).Here LG 16, LG 14,for CMTV,  refer to explicit cases based on the false premise.

This would not be how I would interpret Vatican Council II. LG 16 and LG 14 would refer to hypothetical cases. So it would not be an exception to Michael Voris' understanding of salvation, as expressed clearly and directly in this Vortex.

So the Catechism of the Catholic Church for CMTV would say all need the baptism of water for salvation(CCC 1257) and it would also say contradictorily that God is not limited to the Sacraments, and so all do not need the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation.This is an expression of the new theology.

For me CCC 1257 would not contradict itself as it does for CMTV, since we do not know any case in 2016 or in the past, of someone saved without the baptism of water because God is not limited to the Sacraments. So 'God is not limited to the Sacraments',for me, does not contradict Michael's clear presentation of Catholic salvation in this Vortex.

This new theology on salvation has a direct bearing on the liturgy.It influences are lex orandi,lex credendi and lex vivendi which Christine Niles  mentioned on the last Friday Download.It was  on the Sacred Liturgy and Cardinal Sarah's comments on the priest facing East and all communicants needing to kneel.

THEOLOGICAL CLARIFICATION NEEDED

Could CMTV theologically say that there are no known cases of the baptism of desire or blood, and being saved in invincible ignorance, in 2016,with or without the baptism of water?

Also that there could be no such known case in the past for us human beings?

When the saints and the popes referred to the baptism of desire etc they were referring to invisible- for- them baptism of desire.There were no objective cases, seen in the flesh?

So the baptism of desire etc being invisible and not known in personal cases is not, and was not, an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

It means that the magisterium made a mistake in the second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 when it assumed hypothetical cases, are known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Also mentioning these cases in Vatican Council II was a mistake.They are superfluous passages.

-Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/07/everyone-in-heaven-is-catholic-michael.html

July 18, 2019

 

Church Militant TV still does not correct Jim Farrel's mistake 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/church-militant-tv-still-does-not.html

Church Militant TV still does not correct Jim Farrel's mistake

 

They have been emasculated; taught to go along, don't upset the people; preach watered-down garbage to them like Alpha evangelization and "Church Lady" RCIA classes; no wonder huge numbers of people leave the Church, even after having gone through a year of RCIA.

They haven't been given the authentic faith in those classes, they have been taught polite, non-confrontational, non-offensive milquetoast with a dash of Bp. Barron's idiocy that we have a reasonable hope that all men are saved. And for the record: no, we don't.-Michael Voris 

 https://www.churchmilitant.com/video/episode/vortex-protecting-the-innocent

Jim Farrell (on Church Militant TV) criticizes Fr. Leonard Feeney since for him BOD; BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS and so he cites the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) and Vatican Council II.When writing about Vatican Council II and EENS on Church Militant TV he is critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney for saying there are no  cases of the BOD etc.

For Jim Farrel, Jimmy Akins and most Catholics, there must be exceptions to EENS otherwise their New Theology collapses.It would be a return to the old theology with its rational reasoning.

The New Theology, with its false reasoning , will determine, next week in Manchester, if a Catholic is legally a Catholic for the Left and the Vatican.

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-new-theology-with-its-false.html

 

 

Church Militant TV slanders Brother Andre Marie MICM and Fr. Leonard Feeney by projecting a false theological position upon them : Jim Russell does not know of any BOD, BOB and I.I  case during his life time.

The Staff at Church Militant TV(CMTV)  ignore numerous reports on line, the most recent on the blog The Eponymous Flower, which state that the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) refer to hypothetical  and imaginary cases in 2019.So they are not objective examples of salvation.They are not exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).Brother Andre Marie MICM, covered this point in his correspondence with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF).

CMTV however has posted a report by Jim Russell on Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center's alleged theological position.

CMTV and Russell have not posted any article which mentions that BOD, BOB and I.I are not practical exceptions to EENS.So the SBC does not have to reject BOD, BOB and I.I.

Brother Andre Marie has stated online that there are no personally known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance. They can only be known to God.

 

Fr. Leonard Feeney also had said that there were no literal cases of BOD. We now know that BOD is not a known Sacrament and cannot be administered like the baptism of water.Russell does not seem to know this.

Jim Russell himself does not know of any literal case of BOD, BOB and I.I  in 2019 or during his lifetime.He omitted this central point in his article. CMTV  also ignores this error.

 

For Jim Russell BOD,BOB and I.I  are exceptions to EENS.He then  assumes this is the theological position of the SBC and Fr. Leonard Feeney.How can unknown people be exceptions to EENS for Brother Andre Marie ?

For the Holy Office 1949 and the Council Fathers at Vatican Council II there were exceptions to EENS .Since hypothetical cases were not hypothetical.However this is not the reasoning of Brother Andre Marie and the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

 

The doctrine of Fr. Leonard Feeney seems strange since Russell's premise and inference is false.So the conclusion would be strange.It is not that of the SBC.

Traditional doctrines on salvation are not strange.

Russel has repeated the usual Cushingite propaganda and then pegs it on the SBC and Fr. Leonard Feeney.

When Brother Andre Marie says all need the baptism of water with no known exception for salvation, he is repeating the dogmatic teaching.It is not his private theological opinion as Russell suggests.

 

When Brother Andre Marie says there are no personally known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I this is something obvious and factual.It is common knowledge.It was known to the popes and saints over the centuries.It is not a private opinion.Even a non Christian can confirm this.

These points are not covered in CMTV's article by Russell on Fr. Leonard Feeney's alleged theological position.

 

After some good programs on the Vortex by Michael Voris , on the problem created by the CDF and the Left, for the SBC in the Diocese of Manchester, the report by Jim Russell slanders Brother Andre Marie MICM and Fr.Leonard Feeney.It does this by projecting a falsehood in their name.

If Bradley Eli and Simon Rafe at CMTV are under pressure to say invisible cases of BOD, BOB and I.I are visible exceptions to 16th-century EENS, they should not slander Fr. Leonard Feeney and the SBC for not mouthing the same irrationality.The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as good Catholics, are under no obligation to affirm this bad reasoning and deception.It is not their theology.

May be prohibitions would be placed on CMTV if it did not claim, unknown cases in 2019, as referenced in Vatican Council II (LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc) as being known exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.So theologically CMTV is forced to say that there is known salvation outside the Church mentioned in Vatican Council II.Obviously there are no such cases.There are none in Detroit.Russell did not mention this.CMTV also has not posted an article discussing these points, even though there are many reports online.-Lionel Andrades

APRIL 24, 2019

Jim Russell on Church Militant TV does not refer to hundreds of reports on line saying there are no practical cases of BOD, BOB and I.I. : St. Benedict Center's theological position

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/jim-russell-does-refer-to-hundreds-of.html

APRIL 24, 2019

Cushingite's strange doctrines

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/cushingites-strange-doctrines.html

 APRIL 24, 2019

Ten examples of Cushingism

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/ten-examples-of-cushingism.html

 

  

 

 

April 25, 2019

Church Militant TV slanders Brother Andre Marie MICM and Fr. Leonard Feeney by projecting a false theological position upon them : Jim Russell does not know of any BOD, BOB and I.I case during his life time

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/04/church-militant-tv-slanders-brother.html