Monday, July 9, 2012

PRAY THE DOMINICAN NOVENA THAT THE SSPX DOES NOT ACCEPT THE DI NOIA VERSION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II BUT THAT OF FR. LEONARD FEENEY AND THE DOGMA


The Dominicans are praying for the reconciliation of the SSPX with the Archbishop Di Noia concept of Vatican Council II.(1)

It is important that we pray that the truth about Vatican Council II itself is known.

Cardinal Cushing and the Jesuits created a new theory of  the visible baptism of desire. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith,Vatican  has created a new version of Vatican Council II. It is Vatican Council II with visible cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) and ‘elements of sanctification’ (LG 8).The SSPX would have to accept this. They are praying for this.
 
Fr. Leonard Feeney refused to accept the false version of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) is rejecting the Vatican version of Vatican Council II.

If the SSPX are excommunicated or if there is an ‘ecclesial rupture’ it will be unfortunate since they affirm Vatican Council II, according to Tradition and with implicit LG 8 and LG 16. There values on other religions and ecumenism are in agreement with Vatican Council II.

When they say they reject Vatican Council II they mean they reject the Ladaria-Koch liberal interpretation of the Council.The Dominican sisters also hold this liberal version of Vatican Council II.

All Religious Superiors can affirm in public the literal interpretatiion of the dogma along with being saved in implicit invincible ignorance and the baptism of desrie. This would be in harmony with Ad Gentes 7 ,Vatican Council II and it is not contradicted by implicit Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance/ a good conscience).We can pray that all Religious Superiors realize this including that of the Dominicans and the SSPX.

Fr.Leonard Feeney held the traditional teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus as expressed by the Church Councils, the popes, the saints , Vatican Council I and II, all the Catechisms of the Catholic Church and other magisterial documents after Vatican Council II , like Dominus Iesus 20.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 did not make a mistake when it said that every one needs to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as a member.Those saved with implicit desire are not exceptions.Those saved with explicit baptism of desire are exceptions and we don’t know any such case.Since the baptism of desire can never ever be explicit.It is explicit only for God.

When the Council of Trent referred to implicit desire it was referring to only implicit desire since implicit desire can never ever be explicit for us.

If the Letter refers to only  in principle, implicit, accepted in theory baptism of desire then it has not made a mistake.

However when Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J, Secretary of the CDF misreads the Letter and assumes that those saved with an implicit desire, are explicit, so every one in reality (de facto) does not ‘have to be incorporated into the church’,this is a mistake. It would then seem as if the  Letter made a mistake.

Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Vice President of Ecclesia Dei makes this same mistake. It is there  in the National Catholic Register interview when he is asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus. (2) He assusmes that LG 8 'elements of sanctification', grace is also available for non Catholics in the present times.So they are exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma.In theory this is acceptable that there can be persons saved with implicit desire, a good conscience, seeds of the Word etc. In reality there cannot be any known case. So these cases are are not exceptions to the dogma and Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Pray that they realize this truth. It is at the centre of the Vatican-SPX confusion and many of them may not realize it.-Lionel Andrades


1.
Responding to the appeal of Archbishop D Noia Dominicans are praying for the reconciliation of the SSPX
http://catholicism.org/beware-the-litanies-of-the-dominicans.html

2.
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-dinoia-ecclesia-dei-and-the-society-of-st.-pius-x/#ixzz1zUzx0OrU

Vatican Council II agrees with Fr.Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus

Nothing in Vatican Council II contradicts the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not say non Catholics who are saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) were a known example to the dogma.

The Holy Spirit’s teaching exclusive salvation being there in only the Catholic Church is the same before and after Vatican Council II.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma, it made a mistake.There is no known case of the baptism of water to contradict Fr.Leonard Feeney.

Neither do we know anyone saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16) which could contradict Fr.Leonard Feeney

If the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) realize this at their present Chapter Meeting they will know that their traditional position is that of Vatican Council II and that  Cardinals Ladaria, Koch and Schonborn cannot support their liberal theories from Vatican Council II with any citation from the Council. - Lionel Andrades

The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16

I  have been asked in a comment  by I Am Not Spartacus on the website The Bellarmine Report (Cardinal Levada Muffs Pope's Agreement with SSPX ) to explain an earlier comment of mine.

I Am Not Spartacus
I am sorry, but I do not understand what is being claimed here.

Dear Mr Andrades. In plain and simple language can you write what you think the SSPX is accepting in Vatican Two and what it is objecting to in Vatican Two?

Lionel:

What is the SSPX accepting in Vatican Council II?
 The SSPX accepts Ad Gentes 7 which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.


What is the SSPX objecting to?

The SSPX is really objecting to Lumen Gentium  8 and Lumen Gentium  16 being considered exceptions to AG 7 and to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The SSPX assumes that LG 8 and LG 16 contradict the  SSPX position on other religions and ecumenism.

I am not Spartacus

Are you claiming that Vatican Two essentially teaches Feenyism?

Lionel:

Yes. Vatican Council II is in agreement with the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In this sense it is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney.

If LG 8 ‘elements of sanctification’ and LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) are considered implicit and known only to God, they do not contradict the literal interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

There is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney on outside the church there is no salvation.

For Archbishop Di Noia LG 8 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He mentioned this to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The SSPX has accepted Vatican Council II according to the doctrinal preamble-they must ask Di Noia and Muller to accept the Council with implicit, known only to God LG 8 and LG 16.
-Lionel Andrades