Tuesday, September 12, 2017

SSPX and sedevacantist websites consider invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I as being visible exceptions to Feeneyite EENS : theology at the Catholic Identity Confc.

How can Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X have exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS when BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible cases ?  Why do traditionalist websites still suggest invisibile for us baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) are visible examples of salvation outside the Church and so are exceptions to EENS?

This  error is crawling all over the SSPX official website.
Fr. Feeney and Catholic doctrine

Conclusion

Let us finally quote the letter of the Holy Office condemning Fr. Feeney’s teaching:
That one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.1
Lionel: 
That one may obtain salvation of course it is always required that one be incorporated into the Church as a member!!!(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, outside the Church there is no salvation).For the SSPX like the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 unknown cases of BOD,BOB and I.I are known in 2017 and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. They can see people in Heaven saved without 'faith and baptism'.
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The three errors of the Feeneyites

Error II:

The doctrine of baptism of desire is optional
Such is the case for the doctrine on baptism of desire, by the Feeneyites’ own admission. They write: "This teaching [on the "three baptisms"] indeed was and is the common teaching of theologians since the early part of this millennium."[7] However, this was not only the "common teaching of theologians," but also that of popes, Doctors of the Church, and saints! In addition, it is found even before this millennium in the very early years of the Church without a single dissenting voice.2
Lionel: 
Since 'the early part of this millennium' invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I is being considered a visible example of salvation outside the Church and objective exceptions to the dogma EENS. The popes and Doctors of the Church 'before this millenium in the very early years of the Church' interpreted invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I as simply being invisible. This is Feeneyism for me.They did not make an irrational inference. 


FOR ME BOD, BOB AND I.I REFER TO HYPOTHETICAL CASES
I affirm BOD, BOB and I.I and for me they refer to hypothetical cases known only to God. They would be followed by the baptism of water since this is the dogmatic teaching. Either way they are not invisible and unknown cases in 2017 and people who do not exist in our reality cannot be exceptions to the dogma EENS.
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WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE SAVED WITH BOD, BOB AND I.I IN 2017?
The three baptisms
Fr. Joseph PfeifferOriginally featured in the March 1998 issue of The Angelus magazine.


The proponents of this doctrine are followers of the teaching of the famous American Jesuit, Fr. Leonard Feeney, who cites the dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Outside the Church there is no salvation) against anyone who would claim the existence of three baptisms.3
Lionel:
How can there be the known existence of BOD, BOB and I.I ? If any one was saved as such he or she would only be known to God. So how can 'zero cases' of something be an exception to Feeneyite EENS? Where are the people saved with BOD, BOB and I.I in 2017? There are none. Yet for the SSPX like for the liberal theologians, BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to the dogma EENS as Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer now with the SSPX Resistance suggest. When I mentioned this on the Resistance Forum they refused to discuss this issue.
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COUNCIL OF TRENT DOES NOT STATE THAT BOD REFERS TO A KNOWN PERSON

From the above teaching of Trent, which is a canonization of the teaching of St. Thomas on the necessity of baptism, it is de fide that baptism is necessary in a double way, by a necessity of precept, and more importantly, by a necessity of means. A thing is necessary for salvation by a necessity of precept, when it obliges because of the command of a superior.
Lionel: 
But the text of the Council of Trent does not state that BOD refers to a known case. This has to be wrongly inferred. The wrong inference is made by the SSPX.
For me BOD refers to an invisible case. This is common sense.
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SSPX WEBSITE SHOWS  BOD AS BEING RELEVANT TO EENS

According to Trent, baptism is so necessary that it must be had, in re aut in voto in reality or desire, before one can be in the state of Justification, or Sanctifying Grace.
Lionel:
Yes hypothetically.In reality we do not know any such person.So Trent is not contradicting the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
So how can Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X have exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS when BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible cases ? How can BOD be relevant to the dogma EENS if you do not mix up what is physically invisible as being visible? It cannot be relevant. Yet the SSPX website shows that it is relevant. 

SAME STORY ON SEDEVACANTIST WEBSITES
It is the same story on the sedevacantist websites.

If, by some mystery of Providence and Predestination, they [pagans and idolaters] are united to the soul of the Church, and by desire to its body, it is in spite of their paganism and idolatry.  It is due to an invincible ignorance of their error.”-Bishop Donald Sanborn 4
If there is a pagan or idolater united to the soul of the Church and by desire to its body and who is saved this is an unknown case for us.The sedevacantist bishop cannot say that he knows of any such person saved this year or last year.So this hypothetical case cannot be relevant or an exception to the dogma EENS.It does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the missionaries in the 16th century.A hypothetical case is not a practical exception to EENS.If there is no practical exception then there is no exceptions.
A possibility or a speculative case in the past cannot be a practical exception to EENS in the present times.
Bishop Sanborn is repeating the wrong inference, which he learnt during his religious formation under Archbishop Marcle Lefebvre.
So he will not affirm Feeneyite EENS.Also for him hypothetical cases of LG 16, UR 3, NA 2 etc are not hypothetical . Instead they are a visible exception for him to the dogma EENS, the Syllabus of Errors on ecumenism etc and the old ecclesiology. So he rejects Vatican Council II as being a rupture with Tradition when the fault lies with his irrational inference.

SEDEVACANTIST ST.GERTRUDE THE GREAT CHURCH REPEATS THIS ERROR IN THEIR CATECHISM CLASSES
So the nuns who teach Catechism at Bishop Sanborn's church,St. Gertrude the Great Church, would, like the parishes in Italy in general, teach this irrationality.They will not affirm Feeneyite EENS and instead interpret all magisterial documents with Cushingism( invisible people in the present times are visible exceptions to EENS, invisible people mentioned in Vatican Council II are visible exceptions to the past ecclesiology and the Syllabus of Errors).

ANTI FEENEYITE CATECHISM IN DEFENSE OF  KNOWN CASES SAVED WITH BOD AND BOB
Bishop Sanborn has written an 'Anti-Feeneyite' catechism which is a 'defense of the Church's teaching on baptism of desire and baptism of blood' which for him are explicit and objective cases, for them to be relevant to the Feeneytite interpretation of the dogma EENS which he does not affirm.5 
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UNKNOWN CASES OF LG 16 IN 2017 ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO TRADITION
For me invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I are not exceptions or relevant to Feeneyite EENS.
For me unknown cases in 2017 of LG 16 etc are not exceptions to the past ecclesiology of the Church on exclusive salvation and the need for all to formally convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell.
This will not be the theology at the Catholic Identity Conference to be held next month with Edward Pentin being one of the speakers.
Edward Pentin
For Pentin BOD, BOB and I.I are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and so Vatican Council II is a rupture with Tradition.He has no concept of Feeneyite Vatican Council II in which LG 16 etc are not exceptions to the 'rigorist' interpretation of the dogma EENS.

-Lionel Andrades

1
 http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/fr_feeney_catholic_doctrine.htm
2.
http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm
3.
http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_baptisms.htm
4
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/bishop-donald-sanborn/#.WbeqkbKrTcs
5.
http://mostholytrinityseminary.org/Anti-Feeneyite%20Catechism%201%20&%202.pdf

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How can Mystici Corporis and the Catechisms of Trent and Pius X have exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS when BOD, BOB and I.I are invisible cases ? : traditionalists still supporting liberal theologians.

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/how-can-mystici-corporis-and-catechisms.html


EPTEMBER 11, 2017


When are the traditionalists going to change? When are they going to get rid of their smugness on doctrine and theology ?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/when-are-traditionalists-going-to.html


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Catholics not obliged to follow Chris Ferrara, Michael Matt ( Fr.Jonathan Loop, SSPX and Fr.Gregory Pendergraft FSSP )  : innovative and politically correct theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/catholics-not-obliged-to-follow-chris.html



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Catholic Identity Conference in October limited by a false theology and new salvation doctrines

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/catholic-identity-conference-in-october.html

http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/3402-catholics-rising-a-major-event-coming-soon

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Acid Attack Victim Canceled Euthanasia After Meeting With Pope Francis



Acid Attack Victim Canceled Euthanasia After Meeting With Francis

Consuela Cordoba was disfigured by an acid attack in 2000 and wanted to undergo euthanasia in October, but she changed her mind after a meeting with Pope Francis during his Colombia trip, reports 
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Medjugorje Message, September 2, 2017 [O] - Apparitions to Mirjana

Latest Medjugorje Message, September 2, 2017 [O] - Apparitions to Mirjana


Mirjana during an apparition
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Dear children, who can best speak to me of my Son's love and sorrow? I lived with him, I endured with him, living earthly life, I felt pain because I was a mother. My Son loved the thoughts and works of Heavenly Father, the true God, and as he told me he came to redeem you. I have hidden my pain with love. You, my children, have many questions, do not understand the pain, do not understand that through the love of God you must accept the pain and bear it. All people will try it to a lesser or greater degree, but faced with peace in the heart and in the state of grace there is hope. This is my Son, God, born of God. His words are seed of eternal life and sown in good souls bring much fruit. My Son has brought the pain because he has taken away your sins. Therefore, my children, apostles of my love, you who bear, know that your sorrow will become light and glory. My children, as you bear the pain, while you suffer the Heaven enters you, and you, to all those around you give a little heaven and hope. Thank you. 
http://www.medjugorje.ws/en/messages/





Pope Francis Blessed Adulterous Liaison ?

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Francis Blessed Adulterous Liaison



María Clemencia Rodríguez Múnera, 61, the adulterous wife of Columbian President Juan Manuel Santos published on Twitter a video showing how Pope Francis, during his Columbia trip, blesses her and …
https://www.gloria.tv/language/S2mQ8XjTcSwL3q8noxk8XEbJo

Profezia compiuta: Disastro a Livorno (profezie Anguera)

Profezia compiuta: Disastro a Livorno (profezie Anguera)

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DISASTROSA e TRAGICA #ALLUVIONE A #LIVORNO
PROFEZIA N°3.623
DATA: 17 marzo 2012
Cari figli, sono vostra Madre e voglio vedervi felici già qui sulla terra e più tardi con me in Cielo. Vi chiedo di fare il bene a tutti, perché solo così sarete grandi nella fede. Vivete rivolti al Paradiso, per il quale unicamente siete stati creati. Dio si aspetta molto da voi. Non tiratevi indietro. Dio ha fretta. Non rimandate a domani quello che dovete fare. Vivete nel tempo delle grandi confusioni spirituali. Inginocchiatevi in preghiera e riempitevi di speranza. Mio Figlio è con voi. Confidate in Lui e sarete vittoriosi. Conosco le vostre difficoltà e supplicherò il mio Gesù per voi. Non perdetevi d’animo. Vi amo e sono venuta dal Cielo per portarvi al Cielo. Siate docili. Quando tutto sembrerà perduto sorgerà per voi una grande gioia. Dio non vi abbandonerà. Soffro a causa delle vostre sofferenze. Lima chiederà aiuto e quelli che stanno a Livorno berranno il calice amaro del dolore. Pregate. Solo con la forza della preghiera potete sostenere il peso delle prove che verranno. Avanti. Questo è il messaggio che oggi vi trasmetto nel nome della Santissima Trinità. Grazie per avermi permesso di riunirvi qui ancora una volta. Vi benedico nel nome del Padre, del Figlio e dello Spirito Santo. Amen. Rimanete nella pace.
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Our Lady of Anguera's 2016 prediction of devastation on the Britism Island of Tortola comes true

Our Lady of Anguera's prediction of destruction at the British Island, Tortola comes true. The prediction was made in 2016. Huricane Irma has devasted  Tortola in the British Virgin Islands.

Profezia Compiuta: Irma devasta TORTOLA (profezie Anguera)



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#URAGANO #IRMA DEVASTA LE ISOLE VERGINI, FRA CUI TORTOLA.

PROFEZIA N° 2.662

DATATA: 1 aprile 2006

Cari figli, non cercate le glorie di questo mondo, ma cercate la gloria del Signore. Non permettete che le cose del mondo vi allontanino dal Signore. Dite “no” al peccato. Dalla montagna di Malcesine verrà grande sofferenza per i suoi abitanti. La morte passerà per Tortola (isola britannica) e i miei poveri figli sperimenteranno grande sofferenza.
Chilliwack e il Cairo saranno in macerie. Non restate con le mani in mano. Questo è il tempo della grazia. Io sono vostra Madre e desidero la vostra conversione. Avanti. Dio è al vostro fianco. Questo è il messaggio che oggi vi trasmetto nel nome della Santissima Trinità. Grazie per avermi permesso di riunirvi qui ancora una volta. Vi benedico nel nome del Padre, del Figlio e dello Spirito Santo. Amen. Rimanete nella pace.
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Hurricane Irma: Survivors on Tortola want more UK help






Media captionHurricane Irma left a path of destruction on Tortola

The BBC's Paul Blake and Laura Bicker report from the British Virgin Islands, where Hurricane Irma's force has destroyed communities, and left at least five people dead.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41218817




Profezia Compiuta: Irma devasta TORTOLA (profezie Anguera)

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#URAGANO #IRMA DEVASTA LE ISOLE VERGINI, FRA CUI TORTOLA.

PROFEZIA N° 2.662
DATATA: 1 aprile 2006
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