Tuesday, November 6, 2012

SLAVES OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY HAVE CANONICAL STATUS AND THE SAME POSITION ON OTHER RELIGIONS AS THE SSPX : VATICAN COUNCIL II AGREES WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY

How long  before Bishop Bernard Fellay discovers that the Council without the visible dead saved error is traditional and not an issue?

The Council must be accepted only in agreement with the Syllabus of Errors, the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) 1.


Vatican Council II does not contradict St.Robert Bellarmine.


The community of traditionalists in Worcester,USA affirm Vatican Council II. SInce it is in agreement with Tradition. The Society of St.Pius X ( SSPX ) could make an announcement that Vatican Council II can be interpreted as a continuation with  extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and Tradition.


If there are other reasons why the SSPX is not given canonical status it is understandable.However it should not be said that the reason is Vatican Council.Vatican Council II without the explicitly known cases of the dead saved theory, agrees with the SSPX position on other religions. It agrees with AG 7 and LG 14 which LG 16,LG 8, NA etc are not explicit exceptions to AG 7 and LG 14.

Vatican Council II instead, does not agree with the position of Archbishops Gerhard Muller and Augustine Di Noia on other religions.


Without the visible dead error, Vatican Council II is also contrary to the doctrines of the New Evangelisation.

It is a continuation with the past, when there is no irrational premise.

Without the irrational premise the Council is in agreement with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary on other religions. This community of traditionalists  have been granted canonical status ahead of the SSPX.

SSPX bishops and priests please contact the bishops of Worcester and Manchester and the Archbishop of Los Angeles, and ask them the following two questions.


1. Do we know in the year 2012 any one saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word (AG 7), imperfect communion with the Church ?


2. If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can they be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors?


The Slaves of the Heart of Mary in Los Angeles cannot be recognized by the Church since the Archbishop's Office assumes that the baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. In other words, in Los Angeles they can see the dead saved with the baptism of desire.These known cases on earth; known to them, are explicit exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma held by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.-Lionel Andrades
 
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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II
 
Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. -Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
 
Father Leonard Feeney 's community celebrates the Year of the Faith:model for SSPX

If Bishop Fellay knows that Vatican Council II is a traditional Council, every thing changes. He could suddenly make an announcement and call up another chapter meeting of consultants.

Rorate Caeli blocked this post with reference to their report,  Mass at St.Peter's: At the end of the Ceremony Cardinal Canizares said:Update,papal message to pilgrims'.

There was a discussion on the thread on  Bishop Bernard Fellay  making  a secret deal with the Vatican which would be a sell out.

I sent in this post to say that those who oppose Vatican Council II do so because of the mistake of assuming all references to salvation in Vatican Council II are of  cases visible on earth to them. Once it is known that Vatican Council II does not contradict the Syllabus , the dogma on exclusive salvation and Tradition in general, all traditionalists may want Bishop Bernard Fellay to accept Vatican Council II as a continuation with Tradition and to reject the Council with the visible dead saved theory.-L.A
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If Bishop Fellay knows that Vatican Council II is a traditional Council, every thing changes. He could suddenly make an announcement and call up another chapter meeting of consultants.

Father Leonard Feeney's community in the Catholic diocese of Worcester,USA , in full communion with the Church, must be studied by the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX).

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are traditionalists who affirm Vatican Council II (without the false premise of the visible dead on earth) along with the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

They know that implicit desire is not a known exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

Men and women religious , they offer the Latin Mass like the SSPX, and know that Vatican Council II ( LG 16,LG 8, AG 11,NA etc) do not contradict the dogma or the Church's traditional teaching on other religions.

They hold the same position on other religions as does the SSPX. Yet they are in the Church will full canonical status.

They know that all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church and this does not contradict the dogmatic teaching, which says all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.


Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) for them, agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Jesus is the only Saviour in only the Catholic Church.

Vatican Council II is a traditional Council affirming the dogma and the Syllabus of Errors.So Vatican Council II is not an issue for them as it is for the SSPX.

Without the visible dead saved premise Vatican Council II agrees with Tradition. The SSPX must use the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary as a model.

If the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 said ( and it does not say so clearly) that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma, then it made an objective mistake. Since it is a fact that we cannot see the dead on earth.So they cannot be considered explicit exceptions to the dogma and Father Leonard Feeney's traditional interpretation.

The passage in the latter part of the Letter could be critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney for disobedience, to the Archbishop, and not for heresy.

The earlier part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 supports Fr.Leonard Feeney when it mentions 'the dogma'. The text of the dogma does not cite any exceptions,known or unknown.Since implicit baptism of desire is not an exception to anything.

The Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing did not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus, he assumed, that there were known exceptions to the dogma.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger may not have known that the baptism of desire is not an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since then the SSPX assumes that the Council (with the false premise) can only be modernist.-Lionel Andrades