Monday, June 8, 2015

SSPX two groups divided on doctrine

The Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) priests are interpretating Vatican Council II with Marchetti's irrationality instead of traditional Feeneyism and  this will be welcomed by the Vatican. They are expected to be granted full canonical status in the future since they assume that cases of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to salvation without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
More so, that these cases in Heaven refer to objective cases, seen in the flesh on earth. This was how Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre also understood it.
 They are expected to be given canonical status since like the Vatican they accept Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignornance)  and Lumen Gentium 8 ( elements of sanctification and truth) etc as referring to seen in the flesh cases today.Presently the SSPX rejects LG 16, LG 8 etc as being exceptions to the rigorist intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version. But in future, for canonical status, they will have to overlook this..
According to reports Bishop Bernard Fellay , the superior general of the SSPX is being recognised in a new way by the Vatican.
He will have to gloss over the fact that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican considers Vatican Council II's Lumen Gentium 16, Lumen Gentium 8, Unitatis Redintigratio 3,Nostra Aetate 2 etc  according to Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani 's model ( as do one group of the SSPX).So they reject the Feeneyite version of the dogma.
Here there is confusion among the SSPX priests.There are two groups.This can be seen in their writings and publications.The SSPX Angelus Press in the USA has published a book by Fr.Francois Laisney 'Is Feeneyism Catholic ?' which is appreciated by the Vatican and the Jewish Left.It draws on Marchetiism.While the SSPX General Chapter Statement 2012  says there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is Feeneyite and contradicts the SSPX (USA).
 The CDF has chosen the SSPX (USA) position.So in future Bishop Fellay will have to accept the CDF position of Vatican Council II being a break with Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since the Vatican interprets the Council with Marchetiism.
How will Bishop Bernard Fellay and the SSPX priests respond in the future?
 These are the two groups in the SSPX expressed by these two pictures.
Interestingly, Bishop Richard Williamson of the SSPX Resistance is also, knowing or unknowingly, in the Marchetti camp.
-Lionel Andrades

Can a priest be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church, affirm Vatican Council II interpreted according to Feeneyism and not choose incardination ?

Can a priest be faithful to the teachings of the Catholic Church, affirm Vatican Council II interpreted according to Feeneyism and not choose incardination , in Rome, or elsewhere?
He offers daily Mass, continues pastoral work meaningful for him but is not recognised by the Vicariate and the Vatican, since he interprets Vatican Council II with Feeneyism instead of the official Marchetti model.
The case would be like ( but not exactly) Fr. Stefano Manelli FFI and the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. They have not done anything wrong. They even interpret Vatican Council II according to Marchetti but there are restrictions placed on them pastorally and liturgically.They choose to remain within these restrictions. They still have incardination.
So can there be a priest in Rome, who chooses the lay status, but continues active ministry like an incardinated priest ?.This priest who is not recognised by the Vatican is free to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, before and after Vatican Council II.
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For example Fr.Francesco Giordano is a diocesan priest from  a diocese outside Rome and now it is learnt, teaches at pontifical universities in Rome.He has specialised in extra ecclesiam nulla salus but with the Marchetti irrationality of being able to know in the present times, people saved without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church.They are allegedly in Heaven, but are seen on earth to be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church.Pure fantasy theology.Classic nonsense.Yet it is official.
Fr.Francesco says he affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Church Councils and St.Robert Belarmine and I have quoted him on this blog.Yet he will teach that the dogma has exceptions.
Like cardinals Marchetti and Richard Cushing, he infers that these cases are objective and personally known to be present day exceptions to Robert Bellarmine and Cantate Domino Council of Florence 1441.So in reality he rejects the pre-1949 magisterium and is incardinated as a priest.
So with this double speak ( rigorist interpretation and visible exceptions to the rigorist interpretation) he is allowed to teach and is recognised as a Catholic priest in the diocese, by the Vicariate and Vatican.
He interprets Vatican Council II as a break with St. Robert Bellarmine.The faculty at the University of the Holy Cross, the Opus Dei university in Rome knew all this and let him go ahead with his doctorate degree. Since Fr.Giordano was politically correct.
Fr. Angel Rodriguez Luño, Dean of the Department of Theology
at the Opus Dei university at that time, said this was a sensitive subject and so he would not comment on it.He meant it was sensitive for the Vicariate in Rome and the Vatican,overseen by the Jewish Left.
Fr.Francesco Giordano  is encouraged to offer the Traditional Latin Mass since he has adopted the new ecclesiology; Marchetti's ecclesiology.He is in favour with the new Rome.
Suppose a priest did not want to go through all this ' new revelation' stuff?
The alternative is to live a simple life and live the Faith sincerely; express the faith clearly- but with the status of a lay man?
-Lionel Andrades

Vatican/Vicariate is not allowing priests in Rome to interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism : incardìnation prohibition