Saturday, June 2, 2012

FAITH DENIED TODAY BEFORE THE TOMB OF ST.JOHN LEONARDI

Before the tomb of St.John Leonardi the founder of Propaganda Fide,Rome the faith was denied today morning.I asked a lay guide of the Church Santa Maria in Portico in Campitelli, Rome if the body of the saint was visible above the altar. He said it was kept withing the altar, below. I asked him if the saint believed in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.He said yes at that time it was believed in.

So I mentioned that the community of the saint today, does not believe in the dogma anymore.He said they do. Do  they believe that every one needs to enter the Church to avoid Hell ? He answered no.This was not the interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The Church in which we were speaking houses the Curia General of the community the saint founded now known as Ordine della Madre di Dio .Initially the saint used the dogma against the ‘Lutheran proselytism’ .

Fr.Davide Carbonari a former Parish Priest of the Church and a member of this community has said that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and we do not know any case of a person saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.In principle we can accept that a person could be saved in invincible ignorance and this would be known only to God.
Today the young man who was explaining the history of the Church probably believes that the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says all who are saved are saved though Jesus and the Church and this statement contradicts the dogma as known by Saint John Leonardi.It does not.

There are many Catholics who believe that since ‘we know’ people saved in invincible ignorance not everyone needs to enter the Church but only those ‘who know’.Complicated reasoning?!

CCC 846 quotes Ad Gentes 7 which says all need to enter the Church as through a door. This was the saint’s understanding of the dogma. All need to enter the Church as through a door.

CCC 846 cites AG 7 which says all need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation. Again this is in agreement with the dogma as known to the saint who was a catechist and evangeliser. He founded Propaganda Fide which later became the Urbaniana Pontifical College, Rome.

This missionary university now teaches that there is a 'development of doctrine' with reference to the dogma. They claim, in their Handbook for this year, that Vatican Council II has changed the dogma indicating that Lumen Gentium 16 is an exception.This was not St.John Leonardi’s understanding of the dogma.It is also interpreting Vatican Council II as a liberal Council and not a traditional Council.Urbaniana assumes that those saved in invincible ignorance etc are known to us and so an explicit exception to the dogma on salvation -Lionel Andrades

Bishop of the Diocese of Worcester has not denied that religious communities could hold the literal interepretation of the dogma alongwith implicit desire:a precedent for the SSPX and their interpretation of Vatican Council II


Can the SSPX be granted canonical status in Worcester ?

Bishop Robert J.McManus, the bishop of Worcester who has approved canonical status for Fr.Leonard Feeney’s religious communities of men and women, does not deny that religious communities and lay Catholics can hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also implicit baptism of desire.(1) His office has probably also contacted the Archdiocese of Boston over this issue.

The Archdiocese of Boston of course cannot deny something which is common knowledge. i.e we do not know cases saved, in Heaven or or on earth, in invincible ignorance etc.

So the Jesuits at Boston College and the rest of the Archdiocese of Boston are permited to hold the literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation along with implicit baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.

The problem originally arose from Boston when the Archbishop and the Jesuits assumed that the baptism of desire etc were an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) also accepted this error after Vatican Council II.Throughout the Church there was a change in ecclesiology.There was no more ecclesiocentrism.The SSPX unaware of this error assumed the fault was in Vatican Council II.

Bishop Bernard Fellay has said that Jews need to accept the New Testament for salvation. However he has also indicated that there could be Jews saved in the present time, in invincible ignorance etc who are exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma on salvation.This is a new ecclesiology.It’s also a contradiction of Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It would mean Vatican Council II contradicts itself (LG 16/AG 7) and also the defined dogma, according to the SSPX bishops and priests.

The bishops of Boston and Worcester indicate that one can hold the literal centuries old interpretation of the dogma. So it is time for the SSPX to do likewise.Vatican Council II is a traditional Council with traditional values.

Priests from the SSPX can call up the offices in these two dioceses and ask basic questions.

Ask them if the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston supported Fr.Leonard Feeney on doctrine when it referred to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’.Read the text of the dogma to them. http://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-186.html

Ask them if they know anyone on earth saved with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, a good conscience, seeds of the Word etc.

Ask them if they know any explicit exception in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So does Vatican Council II (AG 7) support Fr. Leonard Feeney and extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

Do they believe then that Vatican Council II affirms the traditional teaching on other religions and non Catholic-Christian churches and communities ?

So can the SSPX affirm Vatican Council II, the SSPX's  present values on other religions etc and also the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.?

Could they be granted canonical status just like the communities of Fr. Leonard Feeney in the diocese of Worcester ?- Lionel Andrades
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http://www.saintbenedict.com/theorder/about-order.html


Videos of a religious community in Worcester which holds the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without explicit baptism of desire.