Monday, May 4, 2015

Questions and Answers : Evangelizing with Vatican Council II

Questions and Answers

1.Every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church in 2015 for salvation ?

Vatican Council II tells us all need to be card carrying members of the Church. Where does it say it ? Here.

1.Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
2.This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. -Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
3.They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. -Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
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2.Evangelise with three passages from Vatican Council II ?
Yes.Affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church by citing the three passages above .
Every one needs to convert into the Catholic Church today. The word today is very important.It is not abstract.One can only convert in the present times for salvation and not in the past or the future.
Similarly there can nonly be exceptions in the present times,today.
We can never know an exception in the present times.Humanly it is not possible. These cases are known only to God.
Since these persons would be in Heaven we cannot see or meet them.
So there cannot be any known exception in Vatican Council II to all needing 'faith and baptism' for salvation.
There cannot be a known exception to all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation i.e ' They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure...
Evangelise!-based on Vatican Council II. This was the appeal of Cardinal Angelo Amato, when he was the Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican.
Cardinal Amato who is presently the Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints specifically mentioned Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 in an interview with the daily Avvenire.
Vatican Council II indicates that for salvation today one needs to get ones name on the Catholic parish register.
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3.Vatican Council II says all need to convert into the Church and Catholics are the new people of God, the Chosen People ?

Contrary to the popular interpretation of Vatican Council II by the secular media Vatican Council II actually says all need to convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II) for salvation. Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 support the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus when it says faith and baptism are necessary for all.All need to be formal members of the Church.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Vatican Council II supports Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston and the St. Benedict Center. They held the strict interpretation of the dogma.They did know any one who would be saved without 'faith and baptism'. Neither do we.

Vatican Council II also says Catholics are the new people of God ,the Chosen People. They are the Elect, they have the Promised Jewish Messiah, awaited by the Jews.
the Church is the new people of God- Nostra Aetate 4, Vatican Council II
Think of all those millions of people who have not accepted the Jewish Messiah in the only Church he founded outside of which there is no salvation. They will all be lost forever.
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4.Vatican Council says we really cannot have a reasonable hope that all men are saved ?
Yes, Vatican Council says we really cannot have a reasonable hope that all men are saved.
Vatican Council II indicates that most people are on the way to Hell. Since most people die without 'faith and baptism'(Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II). There may be good things in other religions but the religions are not paths to salvation.Their members die without 'faith and baptism'.
So according to Vatican Council II we really cannot have a reasonable hope that all men are saved.
Vatican Council II says all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church ( with faith and baptism) and it does not state that we personally know or can know in future any one saved without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith. So there are no exceptions to the Council's teachings on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
We cannot meet anyone on the streets of Rome, who we know will be saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) , a ray of the Truth which enlightens all men (NA 2),elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8),imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3), seeds of the Word(AG 11) etc.
Vatican Council II contradicts Hans Urs Von Balthazar.
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5.Vatican Council II says all Muslims, Jews in Rome, Italy are going to Hell?
Contrary to what your parish priest has been saying Vatican Council II indicates that
all Muslims and Jews in Rome and Italy are on the way to Hell.

So get this message across to the people so that they can conduct Catholic Mission and Evangelization based on the truth.

Do not hide it from Catholics in the parishes that the Bible, the Church and of course Vatican Council II says Jews and Muslims need to convert into the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. All of them.

The Council says this is in two important places .In Ad Gentes 7 it says all people need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation. All means everyone with no exceptions.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
Then Ad Gentes 7 also says those who know about Jesus and the Catholic Church and yet do not enter are on the way to Hell. In Italy Muslims and Jews know about Jesus and the Catholic Church. It is a mortal sin of faith when they do not enter the Catholic Church.
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it.- Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council IIWhosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
So ask your parish priest why has he not spoken on this subject?
Is he trying to protect someone?So many people are going to Hell and he does not speak or write about it?
Is he protecting himself?
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6.What premise ?
The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".
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7.What inference/ conclusion ?
The inference is since the dead are visible to us on earth, those who are saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance being explicit ( visible in the flesh) become exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So it is concluded that Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) contradict the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So it is concluded that Vatican Council II is a break with Tradition, it has the hermeneutic of rupture.
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8.What theology ?
The post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.Since it assumes that defacto( in fact in the present times,explicitly) there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.So it is a theology which assumes there is salvation outside the Church even though we cannot know of any one saved without 'faith and baptism'.
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9.What Tradition ?
Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils, do not mention any exception. The text also does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.I am referring to Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc.
Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma.Neither do they state that there are exceptions to the dogma.
Yet with the false premise and inference is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.
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10.Do you accept the baptism of desire?
Yes. I believe a Catechuman who has an implicit desire for the baptism of water and dies before he receives it can be saved. Since God will provide the means for him to receive the baptism of water. It has been the experience of saints, including St. Francis Xavier that some people returned from the dead only to be baptised by them with the baptism of water.
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11.What is the irrational premise, irrational inference and non traditional conclusion ?
The secular media uses an irrational premise which is "We can see the dead who are now in Heaven, we can physically see them in Heaven and on earth".
They then make an
irrational inference
which is " Since we can see people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water and formal entry into the Church, there is known salvation outside the Church and these cases are an explicit exception to the traditional interpretation of EENS."
Their
conclusion is : Vatican Council II is a break with EENS.
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12.Do you accept the Magisterium ?
'For me the magisterial teaching of the Church documents (and not the contemporary magisterium i.e the persons in power) support the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( AG 7,LG 14, CCC 1257,845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).
I accept the Magisterium ( Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), CCC 1257, 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55, Dominus Iesus 20, Council of Trent,Syllabus of Errors, Catechism of Pope Pius X, Cantate Dominio Council of Florence 1441 etc).
Magisterium, Scripture and Tradition, before and after Vatican Council II support Fr.Leonard Feeney and the four Catholic professors of theology, who were expelled by Boston College.http://www.creativeminorityreport.com/2015/03/dont-blame-vatican-ii.html#comment-1943178630
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13.Exclusivist ecclesiology?
The new theology is based on being able to see the dead. Remove the premise, which is, "I can see the dead on earth".We then have the old ecclesiology, the exclusivist ecclesiology. The ecclesiology of Vatican Council II is exclusivist. Since it affirms the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Ad Gentes 7, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.LG 16,LG 8,UR 3,NA 2 etc are not known exceptions to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. We are left with the old ecclesiology.
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14.Who agrees with you?
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html#links
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15.What is Apparition Theology ?

For the Protestants there are many theologies, Systematic theology, Fundamental Theology...Even for the Catholics there is a new theology- Apparition Theology (AT).
Michael Voris and E.Michael Jones use it.All the Catholic school students in Detroit use it.The Archbishop of Detroit, Allen Vignon has blessed it.

People saved in invincible ignorance (I.I) and the baptism of desire (BOD) and without the baptism of water, are visible on earth.It's as simple as that.They see apparitions in Detroit.
They say not every one in the present times needs to enter the Church since theologically there are exceptions. They cite the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846,1257) which affirms Apparition Theology.They mean every one in Detroit is not going to Hell.Why? Since they can allegedly see and know persons saved in Detroit saved without Catholic Faith.They can see these cases in Heaven ( apparitions) and also on earth (apparitions).So there are exceptions in Detroit to the Feeneyite teaching i.e every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

Exceptions in Catholic salvation theology refer to apparitions.This is the new theology adopted in 1949.It was enforced at Vatican Council II.It was consolidated in the Catechism(1992).Its influence can be seen in other magisterial documents ( Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus etc).
Apparition Theology is also known as Fantasy Theology or Fancy Theology.Cardinal Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augustine Di Noia promote it
Michael Voris says outside the Church there is no salvation and every one needs to enter the Church but he also uses Apparition Theology. So he denies the dogma. For him theologically there is salvation outside the Church.He is refrring to people saved in I.I or BOD (AG 7,LG 14,LG 16 etc ).This is just like Fr.Robert Baron who concludes that not every one needs to enter the Church and so most people could be saved.
For both of them there are exceptions according to Apparition Theology.Their theology is based on seeing the dead who are saved. Michael cites CCC 846, 1257 and Fr.Barron LG 16 etc.
The founders of Apparition Theology were cardinals Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani and Richard Cushing.The Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston in 1949 ,is a classic in AT. AT was then used by theologians to interpret pre- 1949 magisterial documents and post Vatican Council II documents.
Even the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the USA unknowingly interpret Vatican Council II with Apparition Theology.This is approved by their bishops.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to apparitions.Visible ghosts. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/apparition-theology-in-detroit.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/vox-cantoris-and-tantumblogo-are.html
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/05/apparition-theology-which-church.html
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16.Why must the SSPX reject Vatican Council II according to Cushingism?

Why should the SSPX accept Vatican Council II with an irrational premise, inference and conclusion to receive canonical status?
Why should not the SSPX like me accept Vatican Council II in agreement with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? Why does the Vatican Curia and Church Militant.com also not do the same?
I affirm Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14 in Vatican Council II.It says all need faith and baptism for salvation. While there are no exceptions for me mentioned in Vatican Council II. This is Feeneyism.This is traditional exclusivist ecclesiology. This says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church ( with faith and baptism) to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. You are either a card carrying member or you are not.For salvation in 2015 every one needs to have his name on the parish register.
So why cannot the SSPX and the CDF interpret Vatican Council II as I do ?
Why must the SSPX, like cardinals Muller, Koch and Kasper use Cushingism in the interpretation of Vatican Council II ?
Cushingism says Lumen Gentium 16 ( saved in invincible ignorance) contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Cushingism says LG 16 refers to known cases in the present times saved without the baptism of water. Persons saved in inculpable ignorance are known in the present times.They would have to be known in 2015 to be an exception to the dogma.
They would have to be seen to be exceptions to all needing to be card carrying members of the Catholic Church to be saved.Their names and surnames would have to be known - but, these people are in Heaven.They are known only to God.Invisible cases cannot be exceptions.
The magisterium must not force Catholics to accept this irrationality.
How can invisible persons be exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma ?
This is Cushingism. This is the interpretation of Vatican Council II which the Magisterium wants the SSPX to accept.
This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846,1257 is interpreted.It is irrational, heretical and magisterial.Most Catholics have accepted this error unknowingly.
The SSPX must keep rejecting Vatican Council II according to Cushingism.
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17.Why do you say that vocations to the religous life have to accept an irrationality in the Catechism ?

Those who choose the religious life in the Catholic Church would have to accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846,1257).

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism,but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
However you may interpret the Catechism or Vatican Council II, an objective error, is still being taught in Catechism Class in schools.Young vocations have accepted it.
that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
This implies that there is no rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since there are known exceptions. The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is a known exception. This is false and irrational.

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people ? There are no such known cases in 2015. So they are irrelevant to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.

but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Why since there are known exceptions to the dogma?

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people? They are zero cases for us in 2015.So why mention it ? Is it being inferred that these are known exceptions to the dogma? Yes!
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New vocations have to affirm:-

1. We human beings can physically see the dead in Heaven.

2. We can know someone in Heaven in the present times who is there without 'faith and baptism'.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger could not physically see any exception in Heaven when he wrote the Catechism.Today school children have to infer that there are exceptions to the dogma or that there can be exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Even those with a vocation to the religious life have to proclaim this irrationality. It is common sense that there cannot be exceptions.Yet a young girl with a vocation to the religious life would be rejected , if she did not say that there were exceptions, known to her, to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma._______________________
18.Why do you say that the new theology is based on a factual error ?
Michael Voris says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(See video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell?). This is the new theology which accomodates the Marchetti error i.e the dead now saved in Heaven are visible to us on earth. So those who are saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to visible cases. So they are visible exceptions. They become exceptions, it is reasoned, to the traditional teaching on exclusive salavtion in the Church. This was the error implied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation).The new theology accomodates visible exceptions to the dogma. The new theology replaces the traditional exclusivist theology.

Also when Michael Voris says God is not limited to the Sacraments, after the Resurrection of Jesus, he again uses new theology.It accomodates Cardinal Marchetti's factual error. This is the dead man walking theology.The dogma says God is limited to the Sacraments.So how would those who wrote the Catechism (1992) know of an exception to the dogma.With the visible-dead theology of course! Apparition theology !
 
Catholic students in catechesis and religion class are taught this objective error.They affirm the dead man walking and visible theory. This is accepted by Michael Voris.Since he has accepted the new theology based on the irrational premise and inference.The new theology is based on the irrational premise and inference.
______________________Members of the St. Francis of Assisi School choir from Ann Arbor sing a selection during a March 19 festival sponsored by the American Federation Pueri Cantores at the Cathedral of the Most Blessed Sacrament.

19.School children in the Archdiocese of Detroit have to use an irrationality to interpret Vatican Council II ?

The Staff at Church Militant TV would know of friends or relatives whose children are in school at Detroit.

Ask these school children and they will tell you that we humans cannot physically see the dead in Heaven. Obviously!The school children will also say that we cannot know any one in Detroit who will be saved without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,LG 14).This would only be known to God.This is common knowledge. It's something obvious.

Yet in Detroit in Religious Education Catholic children are not taught that every one needs to become a Catholic to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.They are not taught that most people are on the way to Hell since at the time of death they do not have 'faith and baptism'.

They are not taught this even though it is the teaching of the Church in Vatican Council II.

ORTHODOX PASSAGES
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
The children are not told that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation according to Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7.
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Instead they are taught not every one needs to enter the Church.In other words there are known exceptions. There are known exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II.
Here are the known exceptions, which the children are told are mentioned in Vatican Council II.
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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him - Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14,Vatican Council II.
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So with the Cushing additions, the Catholic children are taught that there are excèptions since we can physically see the dead in Heaven in the present times.These visible-dead are saved 'in inculpable ignorance of the Gospel'(Ad Gentes 7) or catechumens saved with 'the baptism of desire' (Lumen Gentium 14).
The childred are also taught to infer that in Detroit they will be able to know of persons alive today,who will go to Heaven without 'faith and baptism' and in inculpable ignorance or the baptism of desire.
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This is all irrational. Yet upon this irrational reasoning theology is based and taught in schools, colleges and seminaries in the Archdiocese of Detroit.
Bishop Arturo Cepeda is the Director of the Department of Evangelization, Catechesis and Schools. Contact him (ecsdirector@aod.org). He will agree with what I have written here.
School children have to use an irrational premise and inference when interpreting Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/school-children-in-archdiocese-of.html
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20.Why do you think the Vatican (CDF) had a lot to hide and so they kept the SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secret ?
I think the Vatican had a lot to hide and so they kept those SSPX-CDF doctrinal talks secret, while at the same time saying Catholic doctrine has not changed.
The basic issue is that being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the rigorist interpretation ofextra ecclesiam nulla salus.The Vatican expects every one to say that they are exceptions.It is with this irrationality that the talks were held.The SSPX had to interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality and accept the non traditional conclusion.
This was the basic issue at the Vatican-CDF doctrinal talks initiated by Pope Benedict XVI in which the stacks were loaded against the SSPX.

At the talks the Vatican doctrinally accepted that there were known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogmaextra ecclesiam nulla salus.Even though there are none.They approved Vatican Council II with this irrationality.
At the doctrinal talks the SSPX also accepted that there were known exceptions to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma .Even though there are none. They rejected Vatican Council II.
The SSPX position has been full of contradictions.. In a 2012 General Chapter Statement they affirmed extra ecclesiam nulla salus with no exceptions. While the SSPX USA is selling a book by Fr.Francois Laisney (Angelus Press) which says there are exceptions to the dogma.

They affirm the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 with the irrational premise and inference but reject the same thing in Vatican Council II. Being saved in invincible ignorance is accepted as an exception to the dogma in the Marchetti Letter but Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) is criticized for being an exception to the dogma.
Now if Vatican Council II is interpreted without the irrationality, it could be considered Crypto Lefebvre for some Vatican sources.
To not be in schism the SSPX has to accept Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and inference. them. Without the irrationality they would be branded schismatic. This was the basic doctrinal issue at the CDF-SSPX talks.
The CDF has brought a foreign item into these talks.It is the error of Cardinal Francesco Marchetti in 1949. They are promoting this new doctrine and they want the SSPX to accept it and interpret Vatican Council II with the hermeneutic of rupture. This doctrine is not the the Deposit of the Faith. So they kept the talks secret. They said there is no change in doctrine in the Catholic Church, when they really have changed the teachings on salvation and ecclesiology with a new and irrational premise and inference.
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21. Ecclesiology has not changed with I.I and BOD.It never changed.Vatican Council II was always orthodox on salvation ?

To create a new ecclesiology something new must be added. This 'something new' was being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and that these cases were allegedly inferred to be known to us personally.This was how they did it!
'Being known to us personally' was the something new.With this premise cardinals Marchetti and Cushing could create a new ecclesiology.

Baptism of desire (BOD) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were mentioned by some popes.What was new, was Marchetti-Cushing linking BOD and I.I to the dogma as an exception.

In the past I.I and BOD were irrelevant to the dogma. Cardinal Cushing, the Archbishop of Boston active at Vatican Council II along with the Jesuits linked it to the dogma and made it relevant.He excommunicated Fr.Leonard Feeney.

In the past, it was always irrelevant to the dogma since hypothetical cases cannot be defacto exceptions in the present times.They made it relevant at Vatican Council II,implying that these cases were personally known to us, so they become exceptions.They became exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This was the only interpretation of the dogma associated with the Old Mass.

This is the new ecclesiology.We now have the missing link.Avoid the premise and you are back to the old ecclesiology.You can even offer the New Mass along with the old ecclesiology.The real issue is doctrine and not liturgy.

Notice it in Vatican Council II (LG 14,AG 7) but skirt around it and the orthodox passages remain.

For me , I.I and BOD must be followed with the baptism of water.This is the de fide teaching in the dogma. i.e every one needs the baptism of water for salvation.

It is not a dogma that BOD and I.I are the ordinary means of salvation or that they must exclude the baptism of water.

So we can affirm the orthodox passages of Vatican Council II without the Cushing addition and ecclesiology will not have changed.
ORTHODOX PASSAGES
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. -Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.
CUSHING ADDITIONS
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

If someone insists on interpreting the Cushing Addition, saying that the baptism of water must not follow, tell him that we do not and cannot know of any such case today (April 15,2015 for example ).There cannot be a known exception to the orthodox passages.So there are really no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II.
So ecclesiology is not changed with I.I and BOD.It never had changed.Vatican Council II was always orthodox on salvation.The ecclesiology was exclusivist.
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22.Will there be a schism over the Cushingism issue?

What happens when most Catholics realize that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite. It does not contradict the strict interpretation of thedogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.What happens when they can read Vatican Council II without the Marchetti-Cushing irrational premise and inference?
How will the Prefect of the Congregation of the Faith (CDF), Vatican respond when Catholics keep reporting, ' Vatican Council II is traditional on an ecumenism of return and the need for non Christians to enter the Church with faith and baptism?'
Over time the Prefect of the CDF will realize that this is true.This is a rational interpretation of the Council . It makes sense.It is traditional.
Then how will the pro-Mason ecclesiastics respond ? Would the Bishops Conferences in England and Germany reject Vatican Council II ?
Will they demand that the Council be still interpreted with irrational Cushingism?
What happens when cardinals interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise and inference? Will they be considered racists and bigots. They will be threatened under leftist laws?
Recall the reaction over Bishop Williamson.He did not commit any moral or faith sin. Yet the bishop conferences in the USA, UK and Italy did not want him in the Catholic Church.Since even though he accepted that the Holocaust happened, he disputed the figure set by the Jewish Left, the pro-Satan people, who approve abortion, homosexuality, immodesty...
So what happens when cardinals realize that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite and Catholics proclaim their Faith? Would there be tolerance from the Left ?
Would they accept the SSPX with full canonical status ? Since then Vatican Council II would be traditional on other religions and ecumenism, while the rigorist interpretation of the dogma , would be the basis for proclaiming the Social Reign of Jesus Christ over all political laws.
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23. Theology is reason harmonizing with Faith, within the Catholic Church. Cushingism is not Catholic ?

When a Catholic says not every one needs to enter the Church he is expressing theology. How does an average Catholic know theology? He has probably heard it.He repeats it. For him this is the teaching of the Church.
Usually the theology he repeats without knowing what it is- is Cushingism. He condemns Feeneyism.He is told it is condemned.He can only choose between Feeneyism and Cushingism and generally he does not know the difference.
Cushingism is a popular theology.It is accepted by the Magisterium. So the average Catholic repeats it.He assumes it isde fide.
Instead it is something foreign to the Faith.It is heresy.It has come into the Church in the 1940's.It is not part of the Deposit of the Faith. It is an irrational theology, a compromised theology.It denies the basic teachings of the Church on salvation and the proclamation of the Good News.
Feeneyism says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, for salvation and there are no exceptions.
Cushingism says every one needs to enter the Church with faith and baptism for salvation but there are exceptions; there are known exceptions, so really every one does not need to enter the Church.
Cushingism is irrational.It says all need to enter the Church but those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire do not need to enter the Church.It assumes that we can know these cases in real life.So all do not need to be Catholic in the present times for salvation, since there are exceptions.People in Heaven are exceptions on earth!
When the average Catholic understands this he knows Cushingism is false.Since we cannot see or personally meet someone who is now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.These cases are known only to God. When they do not exist in our reality, how can they be exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church in the present times ?
If I cannot meet someone in Rome saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire, how can this person who does not exist, be an exception to all needing the baptism of water in the Catholic Church in 2015 ? Where are the exceptions if they do not exist ?
So most people do not know theology and so accept this irrational view made popular by the secular media.It is not Catholic theology. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/04/theology-for-me-is-reason-harmonizing.html
-Lionel Andrades