Thursday, December 3, 2015

The baptism of desire and blood and being saved in invincible ignorance can be interpreted according to Feeneyism or Cushingism, one approach is irrational


In the previous blog post  I mentioned that we can interpret Vatican Council II with either Feeneyism or Cushingism. 1 Here I would like to say that we can also interpret other Church documents with Feeneyism or Cushingism.
Also the baptism of desire (BOD), baptism of blood (BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance (I.I)  can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism.I choose Feeneyism since it is traditional and rational.
For instance the baptism of desire refers to the case of a catechumen  who desires to receive the baptism of water but dies before receiving it.
With Feeneyism the baptism of desire is a hypothetical case and so not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Being invisible for us and known only to God, it cannot be an exception to exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.It does not exist in our reality. 
With Cushingism the baptism of desire is  an exception to the dogma EENs. It  is an example of salvation outside the Church.It is an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma.In other words it is explicit for us for it to be an exception.
Explicit for us?!! These cases are in Heaven. So how can they be explicit for us? Who are these exceptions? What are their names ? 
There are none.
It is based on this irrationality that the theology of Cushingism was created.It is an innovation, it is fantasy theology. It is heresy and it has been  accepted by the contemporary Magisterium.
 I choose Feeneyism.It was the theology of St. Francis Xavier whose feast day is today.
I can  interpret ' seeds of the Word'(AG 11), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3),  ' a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men' (NA 2), 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8) and being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) as referring to hypothetical, invisible for us cases.This is common sense. So they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS. This is the Feeneyite approach.Hypothetical cases cannot be examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.There is no salvation outside the Church.
For a Cushingite these are all explicit cases, seen for example in 2015,in real life. So they are examples of salvation outside the Church, for the Cushingites.Ghosts are exceptions.
Similarly for me the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston suggests the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions or relevant to the Feeneyite version of the dogma.
This is irrational, non traditional and heretical for me, as a Feeneyite.
So for me the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992) CCC 157 ( the Necessity of Baptism ) and CCC 846 ( Outside the Church there is no salvation) do not contradict the traditional interpretation of the dogma. As a Feeneyite I cannot see any objective case of someone saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic  Church.
Similarly for me BOD and I.I should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II. In LG 14 and AG 7 these are superfluous passages, Cushing Additions, dead wood. They are not relevant or exceptions to the orthodox passages preceding them.
Also BOD and BOB should not have been placed in the baptism section of the Baltimore Catechism and the Catechism of Pope Pius XII. We can administer the baptism of water but we cannot give any one BOD and BOB. We can repeat and see the baptism of water but this is not the case with BOD and BOB. So in this sense they are not baptisms like the baptism of water.So placing BOD and BOB in the Baptism Section of those catechisms was confusing.
The Council of Trent only mentions 'the desiretherof'. It does not state that these cases are explicit or are exceptions to the dogma EENS. 
The bottom line is that the Catholic Church in its magisterial documents ( Vatican Council II, CCC etc) has not changed its old ecclesiology for a Feeneyite.I can attend the Traditional  Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo Mass and the ecclesiology is still exclusivist.
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For me Pope Pius XII made a mistake. It was Archbishop Richard Cushing who was in heresy and it was Fr. Leonard Feeney who was  de fide. It was the Jesuits and the Holy Office 1949 which had made an objective error with their Dead Man Walking theory, their visible-dead theology.
-Lionel Andrades



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It is the same Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies
eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/12/it-is-same-vatican-council-ii-but.html

It is the same Vatican Council II but interpreted with two different theologies

Understanding the theological terms.
 1. When we say the Catholic Church teaches that everyone needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation; every one needs to have his name on the parish  baptism register to go to Heaven, we are referring to FEENEYISM. Feeneyism says everyone needs faith and baptism in the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.All need to be 'card carrying members', all need to formally enter the Church.
2. When we say the Catholic Church teaches that every one needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation
except for those persons saved without the baptism of water but with the baptism of desire or blood or in invincible ignorance, we are referring to CUSHINGISM.Cushingism says every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church in the present times for salvation. There are exceptions.
 These are the two main theologies in the Church. You are either a Feeneyite or a Cushingite. I am a Feeneyite.
If you are a Feeneyite then Vatican Council II is not a break with the past.It does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors. If you are a Cushingite then Vatican Council II is a rupture with Church-Tradition.
Related imageRelated imageTraditionalists Bishop Bernard Fellay, the Superior General of the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) and Fr. Pierpauolo Petruuci, the SSPX District Superior, Italy are Cushingites.They interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism. So LG 16, LG 8, UR 3 etc are explicit for them. They infer that these cases are explicit exceptions to the dogma EENS.They are a break with Tradition.So they reject Vatican Council II.
Liberal cardinals Walter Kasper and Kurt Koch are Cushingities too. They interpret LG 16 etc as being explicit.So it becomes an explicit exception to all needing to formally enter the Church. They reject the traditional exclusivist ecclesiology. They welcome Vatican Council as a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
I am a Feeneyite. I interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism. So LG 16 etc does not refer to objective cases in the present times for me.LG 16 etc does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.LG 16, LG 8 etc are not even relevant to the dogma, since they are invisble cases. Hypothetical cases cannot be defacto, objective exceptions today, to all needing to convert today in Goa, India or Rome, Italy, to avoid Hell. So Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14)  is in agreement with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.I accept both, the dogma and Vatican Council II.I also accept hypothetical and invisible for us baptism of desire and reject so called explicit for us baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
So it is the same Vatican Council II interpreted with two different theologies.Feeneyism is traditional. Cushingism is irrational, an innovation, heretical and accepted by the contemporary magisterium.


St.Francis Xavier whose feast day we celebrate today was a Feeneyite. For him all non Catholics needed to convert into the Church for salvation.He did not know of any exception.-Lionel Andrades

Feast of St. Francis Xavier today ( video)



Saint Francis Xavier 12-03
https://youtu.be/Lx2awQX2cSc