Sunday, November 1, 2020
Pope Benedict needs to distance himself from the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS which he encouraged as archbishop of Munich which now has is own Synodal Path
.- Benedict XVI has distanced himself from a Catholic community with which he had maintained close ties for decades.
The German magazine “Herder Korrespondenz” reported Oct. 25 that the Pope Emeritus had taken the step regarding the Catholic Integrated Community.
Referring to the group by its German initials, IG, Benedict told the publication: “Obviously I was not informed about some things in the inner life of the IG, or even deceived, which I regret.”
He had given the group ecclesiastical recognition during his time as archbishop of Munich and Freising, from 1977 to 1982.
CNA Deutsch, CNA’s German-language news partner, reported that Benedict also said: “At first I did not realize that in the attempt to shape the things of daily life integrally from faith, terrible distortions of faith were also possible.”
"I deeply regret that this gave the impression that all activities of the community had been approved by the archbishop.”
The Catholic Integrated Community, founded in 1948, was intended to be, according to its own description, “a place for an enlightened and unabridged Christianity.”
The community achieved ecclesiastic recognition in 1978 by the archbishops of Paderborn and Munich -- Johannes Degenhardt and Joseph Ratzinger respectively -- and in 1985 it was established as a public association of the Christian faithful under Church law.
As CNA Deutsch previously reported, the archdiocese of Munich and Freising published an interim report in November 2019 in which ex-members of the group described interventions in their private life. These included the choice of a place of residence and the number of children in a family, as well as the exertion of psychological pressure on relatives.
A spokesperson for Munich and Freising archdiocese informed the group that the decision to investigate the community in greater depth was taken after IG had obtained the archbishop’s confirmation of a chairperson for its executive committee. This step, which is required of public church associations and is scheduled every six years, took place in November 2010.
In addition, the archdiocese had been in contact with former members who had made accusations against the group, which is also known as the KIG.
A spokesperson said at the time: “These talks are currently being continued and their results so far have been included in the interim report of the visitation. At two reconciliation meetings in 2016 and 2018, initiated by former members and the archdiocese, none of the active KIG members took part, despite being invited to do so.”
Also in November 2019, a former member welcomed the investigation, telling CNA Deutsch that it was “a stroke of good fortune and a blessing for the Church and for the last members of the IG itself, whom one can only feel sorry for.”
Regarding the potential consequences of a possible refusal on the part of the group to contribute to clarifying the situation, the archdiocese said that the IG, as a public church association, was still called upon to cooperate with the visitators.
“Should it continue to evade this in the future, we will take appropriate steps that could extend to dissolution,” the spokesperson said.
On the IG’s website -- which appears to have gone offline -- the community had described the accusations in the interim report as “completely groundless.”
According to Herder Korrespondenz, a member of the group said that the community had decided to completely cease its “activity as a church association and has since done so.” Research by the Herder Korrespondenz shows, however, that the group apparently plans to continue its work “in a new legal form.
Continued
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/benedict-xvi-distances-himself-from-embattled-catholic-community-55470
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He had given the group ecclesiastical recognition during his time as archbishop of Munich and Freising, from 1977 to 1982.
As archbishop of Munich and Fresing from 1977 to 1982 Pope Benedict was interpreting Vatican Council II with a false premise to create a liberal version of the faith and a rupture with Tradition ( extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Athanasius Creed, Syllabus of Erros etc).
He could have interpreted the Council without confusing what is invisible as being visible and so LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, etc would not be exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.
As archbishop of Munich, Pope Benedict had also the false premise used in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston and the condemnation of Fr. Leonard Feeney for not affirming EENS with the irrationality.
As Cardinal Ratzinger he also produced Redemptoris Missio and Dominus with Vatican Council II intepreted with the irrationality and so he made the dogma EENS and other Magisterial documents obsolete. He also changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed and rejected the Athansius Creed.
All this would be considered first class heresy in his hierarchy of truth( Ad Tuendm Fidem) and mortal sins of faith. They would be a scandal.
In 2016 in an interview with Avvenire Pope Benedict once again interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise and called it a development of doctrine. He questioned the need for mission when Vatican Council II, for him, was saying that outside the Catholic Church there was known salvation.
He also said that EENS in the present times was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century. Since he was interpreting Vatican Council II with the false premise and so there were alleged objective exceptions to EENS.
Pope Benedict needs to distance himself from the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS which he encouraged as archbishop of Munich which now has is own Synodal Path. -Lionel Andrades
TV 2000 could ask Pope Francis the THREE QUESTIONS and then his theological position on the Creed will change
TV 2000 could ask Pope Francis the THREE QUESTIONS and then his theological position on the Creed will change.-Lionel Andrades
JULY 4, 2017
FSSP priests need to interpret the Nicene Creed with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism.Bishops must be informed about the error
JULY 3, 2017
The bottom line is that we are all reciting the Nicene Creed but there are two different interpretations
JULY 3, 2017
Laity could ask the bishop to provide them with FSSP priests who do not make irrational inferences and change the meaning of the Nicene Creed
JULY 3, 2017
FSSP church Santissima Trinita dei Pelligrini : new understanding of Nicene Creed
JULY 1, 2017
Solemn Tridentine Rite Mass tomorrow with manifest sacrilege
JUNE 30, 2017
Tridentine Rite Mass in Rome is a sacrilege : needs to be challenged canonically
JUNE 30, 2017
No priest in Rome will give his telephone number
JUNE 29, 2017
Rome must be canonically asked to come back to the Faith : feast of St. Peter and St. Paul 2017
NOVEMBER 1, 2016
With Feeneyism ( no physically known execeptions to EENS) Vatican Council II changeshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/with-feeneyism-no-physically-known.html
NOVEMBER 1, 2016
Mons.Guido Pozzo, Secretary,Ecclesia Dei will not say it : with Feeneyism Vatican Council II affirms an Ecumenism of Return, Social Reign of Christ the King and no known salvation outside the Church
OCTOBER 29, 2016
Feeneyism is the missing link
OCTOBER 10, 2016
Vatican Council II and the Catechism of Pope Pius X are Feeneyite.They contradict Pope Pius XII,the Archbishop of Boston and the U.S Jesuits.Confusion arises with 29Q which can be interpreted as being visible or invisiblehttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/vatican-council-ii-and-catechism-of.html
October 9, 2016
October 9, 2016
The Catechism of Pope Pius X is Feeneyite.It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston and contradicts Pope Pius XII and the Archbishop of Boston. See numbers 24Q and 27Q.Confusion today comes with 29Q. It can be interpreted as being visible or invisible http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/the-catechism-of-pope-pius-x-is.html
Cardinal Muller, Archbishop Di Noia and Bishop Fellay's theology is based on invisible cases being visible, what is not seen as being seen
SSPX doctrinal position is politically correct and heretical : Bishop Fellay interprets EENS and Vatican Council II assuming hypothetical cases are objectively known in the present times.
Apologists Mons. Clifford Fenton, Fr.William Most and Fr. John Hardon considered implicit cases as being explicit: traditionalists agree any one who does this is wronghttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/06/apologists-mons-clifford-fenton.html
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Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson says Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/archbishop-thomas-egullickson-says.html#links
CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links
How can zero cases of something be considered exceptions ?- John Martignoni http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/sspx-only-way-out-now.html#links
Implicit intention, invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) in Vatican Council II do not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus –John Martigioni http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/implicit-intention-invincible-ignorance.html
OCTOBER 16, 2013
DEAN OF THEOLOGY AT ST. ANSELM SAYS THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/10/dean-of-theology-at-st-anselm-says.html
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Bishop Bernard Fellay made a factual mistake in Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82 : we cannot see the dead http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/bishop-bernard-fellay-has-made-factual.html#links
Andrea Tornielli in his next interview could be asked the THREE QUESTIONS
Andrea Tornielli in his next interview could be asked the THREE QUESTIONS. -Lionel Andrades
THREE QUESTIONS
1.How do you interpret Vatican Council II - with LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc referring to explicit or implicit cases, objective or subjective cases, visible or invisible people in the present times ?
2.If LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are invisible, subjective and implicit, then LG 8 etc, in Vatican Council II, do not contradict the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church?
3.Do you support Tradition(exclusive salvation) and a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II ? -Lionel Andrades
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There could be a Feeneyite traditionalist network of Catholics to reconcile priests with their bishops when the issue is doctrinal
There could be a Feeneyite traditionalist network of Catholics to reconcile priests with their bishops when the issue is doctrinal.. -Lionel Andrades
I spoke to Fr. Slavko Barbaric ofm, at Medugorje. I asked him if Our Lady at Medugorje said that all religions are equal paths to salvation. He denied it. He also denied other statements in the media, attributed to Medugorje.
Cushingite Louie Verrecchio still chooses to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He uses an irrational premise to create a New Theology, which says outside the Church there is known salvation instead of the traditional outside the Church there is no known salvation, for us human beings
Cushingite Louie Verrecchio still chooses to interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism.He uses an irrational premise to create a New Theology, which says outside the Church there is known salvation instead of the traditional outside the Church there is no known salvation, for us human beings. -Lionel Andrades
Cushingite traditionalists have to switch to Feeneyism. Cushingism is irrational and non traditional. It is responsible for the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition ( Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q)
Cushingite traditionalists have to switch to Feeneyism. Cushingism is irrational and non traditional. It is responsible for the hermeneutic of rupture with Tradition ( Syllabus of Errors of Pius IX, Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24 Q, 27 Q). -Lionel Andrades
Coetus Internationalis Patrum, Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies could help conservative and traditionalist Catholics file canonical petitions asking the THREE QUESTIONS
Coetus Internationalis Patrum, Una Voce and the Latin Mass Societies could help conservative and traditionalist Catholics file canonical petitions asking the THREE QUESTIONS. -Lionel Andrades
THREE QUESTIONS
1.How do you interpret Vatican Council II - with LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc referring to explicit or implicit cases, objective or subjective cases, visible or invisible people in the present times ?
2.If LG 8,LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II are invisible, subjective and implicit, then LG 8 etc, in Vatican Council II, do not contradict the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church?
3.Do you support Tradition(exclusive salvation) and a rational interpretation of Vatican Council II ? -Lionel Andrades
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OCTOBER 31, 2020
Cushingite Coetus Internationalis Patrum, traditionalist Catholics in Italy, cited Cushingite Dominus Iesus before the Cushingite Amazon Synod asking for Feeneyite EENS for the Amazonians
Later Reemergence
In October 2019, shortly before the opening of the Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region, an anonymous group of bishops and Catholic laypeople calling itself the Coetus Internationalis Patrum Working Group released a text, claiming that four theses drawn from the Synod's Instrumentum Laboris or Working Document were unacceptable as they contradicted points of Catholic doctrine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coetus_Internationalis_Patrum
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