Wednesday, November 28, 2012

WASHINGTON POST REPORT ON SSPX WRONG ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

There is a Washington Post report with the same factual errors on Vatican Council II and the SSPX and there is no clarification from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or the Ecclesia Dei.Explicit implicit salvation is not Catholic doctrine.


The report says
Pope tells SSPX traditionalists they must accept Second Vatican Council By Alessandro Speciale
Religion News Service, Oct 01, 2012 AP Published: September 27 ,2012

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The SSPX has said that they accept Vatican Council II as an historical event.Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre participated in it. At issue is the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the visible dead premise.


There is no known salvation outside the church, every on earth needs faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). The text of Vatican Council II or the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not state that there is known salvation.It does not make this non traditional claim.Yet the media implies it does and Catholics assume that this is a fact and the Vatican does not issue a correction.


Implicit desire is part of the deposit of the faith, explicit implicit desire is not.The Washington Post correspondent assumes Vatican Council II mentions explicit exceptions to Tradition.


The Washington Post report says:

The SSPX rejects the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965), including church acceptance of ecumenism and religious freedom, and its rejection of anti-Semitism
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Vatican Council II (AG 7) is in agreement with the Catholic Church's traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism. All need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation(AG 7). So Vatican Council II agrees with the Society of St.Pius ( SSPX ) traditional position on this issue- unless one assumes there are known cases of the deceased saved. This is the error of the writer of the report. Since we cannot see the dead LG 16 (invincible ignorance/ good conscience), LG 8 ( elements of sanctification),AG 11(seeds of the word) etc,.do not contradict AG 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So Vatican Council II has not changed the Catholics Church's teachings on other religions as the media reports.


This report is similar to the one written by the Reuters Religious Editor .He also assumes the dead who are saved are visible on earth.So he implies these deceased are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus i.e Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma and the Syllabus of Errors .

There was no clarification  from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Ecclesia Dei. It needed to be clarified that implicit salvation is never explicit for us .We cannot see the deceased on earth.Vatican Council II does not state that these cases are visible or that they contradict the salvation dogma.-Lionel Andrades

REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY


REUTERS MAKES FACTUAL,OBJECTIVE MISTAKE TOO

REUTERS MAKES AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE ON CATHOLIC DOCTRINE AND ECCLESIA DEI/ CDF DO NOT CLARIFY

There are so many reports in the mainstream media which have factual errors in their reporting of Vatican Council II and especially with reference to the Society of St.Pius X. The Ecclesia Dei or the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or a Vatican media spokesman, have never issued a clarification.

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Reuters Religious Editor assumes the dead who are saved are visible on earth.So he implies these deceased are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus i.e Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma and the Syllabus of Errors .


There was no clarification to this report from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and Ecclesia Dei. It needed to be clarified that implicit salvation is never explicit for us .We cannot see the deceased on earth.Vatican Council II does not state that these cases are visible or that they contradict the salvation dogma.


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Vatican Council II (AG 7) is in agreement with the Catholic Church's traditional teaching on other religions and ecumenism. All need Catholic faith and the baptism of water for salvation. So Vatican Council II agrees with the Society of St.Pius ( SSPX ) traditional position on this issue,unless one assumes there are known cases of the deceased saved. Since we cannot see the dead LG 16 (invincible ignorance/ good conscience), LG 8 ( elements of sanctification),AG 11(seeds of the word) etc,.do not contradict AG 7 or the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So Vatican Council II has not changed the Catholics Church's teachings on other religions as the media reports.


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The SSPX has said that they accept Vatican Council II as an historical event.Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre participated in it. At issue is the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the visible dead premise.There is no known salvation outside the church, every on earth needs faith and baptism for salvation. The text of  Vatican council II or the Letter of the Holy Ofice 1949 does not state that there is known salvation.It does not make this non traditional claim.Yet the media implies it does and Catholics assume that this is a fact and the Vatican does not issue a correction.
Implicit desire is part of the deposit of the faith, explicit implicit desire is not.


Being saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience,seeds of the word,imperfect communion with the church etc are accepted in principle only, as possibilities.Possibilities are not known reality in 2012.
-Lionel Andrades


REUTERS MAKES FACTUAL,OBJECTIVE MISTAKE TOO
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/reuters-makes-factualobjective-mistake.html#links

REUTERS MAKES FACTUAL,OBJECTIVE MISTAKE TOO

Tom Heneghan
Reuters assumes that the SSPX has rebelled against Vatican Council II since for Reuters correspondents the dead are visible to us on earth and so these cases saved, are explicit exceptions to Tradition. For Reuters those saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) or elements of sanctification(LG 8) etc are examples not of implicit salvation but explicit implicit salvation.This is an objective, factual error. We cannot see the dead on earth and Vatican Council II does not claim that we can.It has to be implied by Reuters and the other media.

Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor at Reuters,Paris, writes:

The Swiss-based SSPX broke away from Rome in 1988 in protest against the 1960s reforms that replaced Latin with local languages at Mass, forged reconciliation with Jews and admitted other religions may also offer a path to salvation-Sep 30, 2012 By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor Pope's bid to win over Catholic rebels seems at dead end (Additional reporting by Philip Pullella; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/30/us-pope-traditionalists-idUSBRE88T08S20120930


Vatican Council II admits that other religions may offer a path to salvation but does not claim that we personally know any such case or that they are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or the Syllabus of Errors. Reuters has to imply it. Tom Heneghan assumes that we can see the dead saved, who are  visble exceptions to Tradition.

He does not state that Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) 1  is in agreement with the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) position on other religions. The Council says all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7). While LG 16 does not state that invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire are explicit cases known to us or that they contrtadict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Heneghan has to assume all this. This is factually wrong and an irrationality.LG 16 only mentions the possibility of a non Catholic being saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience and we accept this in principle only. It is not defacto and known in personal cases.

So the SSPX are not rebels as he calls them. Vatican Council II, without the irrational premise of the dead saved being visible to us, is in accord with their traditional positions.

He writes:
Benedict insisted they must declare the Vatican Council and Church doctrine since then as valid Catholic teaching. Denying this has been a core principle of SSPX beliefs from the start
The SSPX has stated many times that they accept Vatican Council II as an historical event in which Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre participated. They do not deny that Vatican Council II happened.They deny the interpretation of Vatican Council II with the doctrinal error of being able to see the dead saved who are contradictions to Tradition. It is this false premise which makes Vatican Council II modernist and a break from the past.
-Lionel Andrades

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Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II