Sunday, April 1, 2018

Cardinal Nicols says that the Catholic Church does not say that any one person is in Hell. This is false.

All these years the liberals have been saying that we do not know if there is any one in Hell and the Church does not say that any one person is in Hell- not even Judas. This is false.
The Bible tells us that Judas is in Hell.
This is repeated by Cardinal Vince Nicols in his comment on Hell on the BBC.
He says that the Catholic Church does not say that any one person is in Hell.
This is false and the liberals keep repeating this new found doctrine of theirs.
The Church does say that there are particular persons in Hell. We can name them.
The dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus tells us that all non Catholics whom we meet are oriented to Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members.
Vatican Council II(AG 7) confirms the same teaching. All need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7).Most  people on earth die without faith and baptism and are oriented to Hell.We know who does not have faith and baptism in 2018.We know who has died without faith and baptism and so would be in Hell.
All those non Catholics who participate in inter-faith meetings with Cardinal Nicols in London are on the way to  Hell. This is said based on Catholic teaching. Vatican Council II( AG 7 ), the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1257, 845,846), Dominus Iesus 20, the CDF Notification on Fr. Jaques Dupuis s.j(2001), Evangelii Nuntiandi of Pope Paul VI, Catechism of the Council of Trent and the Catechism of Pope Pius X affirming Feeneyite EENS, with the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, referring to hypothetical cases and unknown persons in the present times.
Is this not all Catholic teaching for him?
Why does he not quote Vatican Council II in harmony with the dogma EENS as it was known to the Magisterium of the 16th century ? 
So of course the Church says that it knows of any one person and even many people being oriented to Hell.

The norm is membership in the Church with faith and baptism. This is the ordinary way of salvation.So this is the norm by which we can judge that the non Catholic political leaders, for example in England, are all on the way to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church and live the teachings of the Gospel as traditionally taught in the Church.
We know that many people are in Hell, since they have died as non Catholics or they have died in manifest mortal sin. 

They are also in Hell since Cardinal Nicols cannot name any exception.
Cardinal Nicols does not know of any exception.How can he judge? Only Jesus can know of an exception.
He cannot say that any one person is an exception to the norm. He cannot guess or judge that a  particular person, though not a member of the Catholic Church is an exception.He cannot name any names. He cannot judge that a particular person living in mortal sin, is not going to Hell or is not in Hell.
This is how the Holy Spirit guided the Church on faith and morals over the centuries.Why should there be a change now? -Lionel Andrades


Cardinal Vincent Nichols on what Catholics believe about Hell

The idea of a burning Hell has never been part of Roman Catholic teaching, says the most senior Catholic in England and Wales.
Cardinal Vincent Nichols was speaking after Pope Francis was quoted saying that Hell did not exist. He blamed 'Rome's rumour mill' after a journalist met the Pope.
(Photo: Pope Francis. Credit: Getty Images)
  • 30 Mar 2018
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-43596779/cardinal-vincent-nichols-on-what-catholics-believe-about-hell

Cardinal Nicols new doctrine on Hell and salvation comes from the objective mistake in LOHO and Vatican Council II and not choosing to interpret the Council-text rationally




Cardinal Vince Nicols tells the BBC only ' if the person makes a final, deliberate and irrevocable approach, a decision to reject any notion of, or willingness  to be open to, God  then that is a definitive decision that separates him from God' and this new doctrine of his  could be based upon his irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II.
He draws his new doctrine from Lumen Gentium 14 which is based on the objective  error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO).
LOHO assumed unknown non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance were known exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
So for LOHO all did not need to enter the Catholic Church as members since invincible ignorance was a known exception.
So the new conclusion with this irrational premise was, only those who know, who are not in ignorance of Jesus and the Church, need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.
With this reasoning of their being known exceptions to the norm, Cardinal Nicols does not say that every one in general needs to enter the Church to avoid Hell.He says that those who knowingly and deliberately  choose to reject God will go to Hell (LG 14).So he agrees with Vatican Council II indicating that there is a Hell and a category of people will be damned.
Since he affirms the LOHO and Lumen Gentium 14, he has put aside the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.
He avoids Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.All.
The first part of LOHO is traditional and is reflected in Ad Gentes 7. It supports Feeneyite EENS.
The second part of LOHO is unorthodox, really heretical, suggesting that there are known exceptions to traditional EENS, and this is reflected in Lumen Gentium 14.
For the discerning Catholic , if there are exceptions it would only be known to God.So Lumen Gentium 14 is not really an exception to Ad Gentes 7 or the dogma EENS.
But for Cardinal Nicols, and for LOHO, those ' who do not know' refer to known non Catholics saved outside the Church.They know. It is not only known to God for them.
This is nonsense but this is his reasoning and it forms the New Theology supported by liberal theologians including the two popes and the Vatican Curia.
Their new reasoning says outside the Church there is known salvation even though this is irrational.
Only with 'known people', 'visible non Catholics' saved outside the Catholic Church in the present times, can there be exceptions to EENS.But where are these known people saved outside the Church in 2018? Who has seen them or met them? How can they be known to us human beings when only God can see and know who is in Heaven and how the person is saved?
So for Cardinal Nicols not every one in general needs to enter the Church as a member with no exception to avoid Hell but only those who knowingly and deliberately reject God.
Then he can judge a suicide case which is an exception.
So Cardinal Nicols new doctrine on Hell and salvation comes from the objective mistake in LOHO and Vatican Council II and not choosing to interpret the Council-text rationally.
-Lionel Andrades




MARCH 21, 2018

The Church supports the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is official. There are no known exceptions to EENS mentioned in Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/the-church-supports-rigorist.html


MARCH 24, 2018

Bishop Fellay no more has to reject Vatican Council II and the popes since John XXIII : the Council is traditional without the LOHO reasoning
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/bishop-fellay-no-more-has-to-reject.html






For Cardinal Nicols EENS is not the norm for salvation since he can judge exceptions. Suicide is an exception to the norm for him.Since he can judge in individual cases(Graphics)



































MARCH 31, 2018


Pro Masonic Cardinal Nicols does not say that the norm for salvation is membership in the Catholic Church , this is the ordinary way to avoid Hell and most people do not die as Catholics

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/liberal-cardinl-nicols-does-not-say.html



MARCH 31, 2018



Traditionalists and sedevacantists are contributing to Cardinal Nicols and Eugenio Scalfari's statement on Hell

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/traditionalists-and-sedevacantists-are.html

England has a problem with Hell

Cardinal Vince Nicols does not say that all who die in mortal sin are oriented to Hell but instead he tells the BBC,' if the person makes a final, deliberate and irrevocable approach, a decision to reject any notion of, or willingness  to be open to, God  then that is a definitive decision that separates him from God'.
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This was the line I would also get from my English Spiritual Director at the Beda Pontifical College, the Catholic seminary in Rome under the bishops of England and Wales.
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In the BBC interview the cardinal is asked,'And then what happens '.
'Well, who knows',says Vince Nicols.
So where will those people go ? He says he does not know.See the contradiction.
In an organized way the English bishops and priests have been teaching the same confusion over the last 20 or more years.It is as if someone has decided that they must use this new doctrine.So when he later says that fire and brimstone is not there in Hell,   ' is not Catholic teaching',  he means that is is not Catholic teaching according to his group or the people whom he represents.

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So when the interviewer asks him where will his limited category of people , who are lost, go after they die, he says he does not know.But he does not know that Hell does not have fire and brimstone.
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So there is a Hell for him, a Hell he knows exists, in which only a limited category of people will go to, and not every one in un-Confessed mortal sin.
He also knows that all non Catholics in general will not be going there,since he doesn not believe in the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He  rejects the teaching over the centuries of the popes and saints.
This was all the nonsense being taught at the Beda seminary Rome, when Vince Nicols as the Bishop of Birmingham, would visit there officially and ensure that the new teachings are enforced.
Now that we have Pope Francis, all these  innovations which were there during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II, but were hidden in the shade, have come out into the open.
-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 31, 2018


"No Fire in Hell" - London Cardinal Ignores the Gospel

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/no-fire-in-hell-london-cardinal-ignores.html

MARCH 31, 2018


Pro Masonic Cardinal Nicols does not say that the norm for salvation is membership in the Catholic Church , this is the ordinary way to avoid Hell and most people do not die as Catholics

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/liberal-cardinl-nicols-does-not-say.html


MARCH 31, 2018


Traditionalists and sedevacantists are contributing to Cardinal Nicols and Eugenio Scalfari's statement on Hell

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/03/traditionalists-and-sedevacantists-are.html


Photos from the Beda seminary in Rome.

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A Happy and Holy Easter to all. Jesus Died and is Risen to save all who believe in Him, and live his teachings in the Catholic Church, from going to Hell

Easter is right around the corner, and what better way to celebrate the resurrection of our Lord than with Scripture. Whether you're looking for important verses to add to your Easter cards or you simply want to learn more about the significance of Christ's death and resurrection, you can find it all in the Bible.
A Happy and Holy Easter to all. Jesus Died and is Risen to save all who believe in Him, and live his teachings in the Catholic Church, from going to Hell. To go to Heaven we must, in general, enter the Catholic Church with faith and baptism, since outside the Church there is no salvation and for most people in 2018, Jesus' Death and Resurrection will be in vain.Since they will die outside the Church, the only Church he founded.
Jesus may give the grace to someone to believe in Him and to  be saved, who is not a visible member of the Church. However over time this person would have, to have entered the Catholic Church, to receive this salvation. In Heaven there are only Catholics. They are there with the baptism of water and Catholic faith(John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium  14).
Catholics are the new people of God, the Chosen People(NA 4). They have the Sacrifice (in the Mass), the Messiah (promised by the Jewish prophets), the ark of the Covenant ( tabernacle with the Eucharistic Presence),the Tradition ( a continuation of the Jewish religion), the Sacred Scriptures ( a fulfillment of the Old Testament), the Eternal Covenant with the Death and Resurrection of Jesus( a fulfillment of the covenants Yahweh made with the Jews) and the Temple where His One and Only Sacrifice, is repeated in an un-bloody way.( Holy  Mass in all Rites of the Catholic Church).
So proclaim the Good News that only those who believe in Jesus, the Son of God, the Promised Jewish Messiah, can have eternal life.They need to live His teachings in the Catholic Church, to know about, and avoid, mortal sin, and to have Sanctifying Grace at the time of death, in a world in which most people,as non-believers , are oriented to the fires of Hell.Since they do not know about Jesus or refuse to follow him.On the Day of Judgment, Jesus will not recognise them, since their soul would be under the control of Satan, as it was throughout life.This is the state of the soul of people who live with Original Sin,commit mortal sins in that state, and are not baptised with water.
Without the faith which is pleasing to God, which is there in only the Catholic Church; the only Church with the fullness of the means of salvation, there is no way to Eternal Bliss in Heaven.
This was the faith that made many to choose martyrdom for Jesus and His Church and so access the direct and quick  way to Heaven.
This Easter and in the Eastertide, may we choose to affirm the truths of our Faith, founded by Jesus, who is the same, yesterday, today and tomorrow.
-Lionel

Be proud that you are baptized and grateful in your heart that you are a part of God's plan.-Our Lady at Medugorje



A Happy Easter to all our friends

Our Lady's Message from Medjugorje to Marija on March 25, 2018
"Dear children! I am calling you to be with me in prayer in this time of grace when darkness is fighting against the light. Pray, little children, confess and begin a new life in grace. Decide for God and He will lead you towards holiness; and the cross will be a sign of victory and hope for you. Be proud that you are baptized and grateful in your heart that you are a part of God's plan. Thank you for having responded to my call."
 from Medjugorje International Relief

May The Risen Christ dwell in your hearts and may conversions abound everywhere through The One, True Traditional Catholic Faith!- Adrienne



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