Monday, May 16, 2016

Dr. Thomas Stark: Interview with Cardinal Burke: Amoris Laetitia produces confusion

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Dr. Thomas Stark: Interview with Cardinal Burke: Amoris Laetitia produces confusion


Cardinal against Cardinal

Professor Stark confronts the Cardinal with the announcement of Pope Francis that Amoris Laetitia should be understood according to the explanation of Vienna’s Cardinal Schönborn. When presenting Amoris Laetitia in the Vatican, Schönborn said among other that Amoris Laetitia overcomes an “artificial distinction” between “regular” and “irregular” marriages.

In his reply Cardinal Burke calls Schönborn’s explanation “puzzling”. And: “The distinction between a regular and an irregular union is not artificial at all. It is a reality.”
Confusion in Amoris Laetitia 305

Professor Stark refers to Amoris Laetitia 305 which, in the context of persons living in adultery, speaks about “an objective situation of sin – which may not be subjectively culpable”.

Cardinal Burke explains this passage as “a confusion” that has its roots in a wrong understanding of the Catholic teaching on factors, which can diminish the culpability of an individual sinful act. The Cardinal gives examples of such factors such as passion, influence of drugs or undue pressure. But he adds, “That reasoning does not apply to living in public sin.”
Priests should refuse and face the consequences

Professor Stark predicts that, after Amoris Laetitia, priest will undergo added pressure to give Communion to public adulterers. He asks what a priest under such pressure, perhaps even from his superiors, should do.

Cardinal Burke responds that a priest has to be true to his conscience, “It is a grave injustice to place on priests the responsibility to do something which they cannot do.” If this happens, Cardinal Burke recommends that priests should “refuse and face the consequences”. The Cardinal explains that in this case, being unjustly punished by a superior, is part of confessing the faith.
What realistically will happen

Stark fears that Amoris Laetitia may empower certain people in the Church to undermine Catholic doctrine and at the same time allow Conservatives to live in the illusion that ‘nothing has changed’.

According to Cardinal Burke it is realistic to believe that this will happen, “When a text is so long and expends so many words in talking about things which are quite simple in their truth and beauty then one runs the risk of this kind of interpretation to permit exactly what the Church does not permit. At the same time it is not right to say, ‘Nothing has changed therefore nothing to be concerned about’. Of course one must be concerned.”

Burke expects the media to use Amoris Laetitia to claim that the Church has undergone a revolution and is abandoning her teaching.
“The impression that there are two Churches”

Cardinal Burke says that a mundane and political way of thinking has entered the Church, dividing people into varies camps, “They say: ‘You are from the strict observance and I’m more lenient.” According to the Cardinal such a development however cannot be an expression of the one Catholic Church: “We don’t have political parties.”

He concedes that the situation today “can give the impression that there are two Churches”. People whose faith is weak or who are not Catholic, are scandalized and see the Church as hypocritical: “She says for instance that marriage is indissoluble but now there is a marriage nullity process by which practically anyone who comes forward and asks to have a marriage declared null, will have it declared null. Or the Church says that the Holy Eucharist is the Body of Christ and one has to be properly disposed but at the same time she freely gives Holy Communion to whoever approaches without asking any questions.”
Do the German bishops export their decline?

Professor Stark states that the struggle during the Synod on the Family was largely won by the liberal German Church and its allies, who in their own countries are going through a disastrous decline, “They have shown for decades, that what they are doing is not very successful.”

Cardinal Burke answers by quoting an African Cardinal who said that the Western European Countries have empty Churches because of a rebellion against the teaching and practice of the Church: “They want to impose that now on us. Is the goal that our churches too be empty?”

Burke admits that the culture is secularized: “But the answer is not to accommodate ourselves to the culture.” The culture has to be addressed with the Gospel.
“Make sacrifices to uphold the truth”

Finally, Professor Stark notices a pattern. The Church resists attacks from the secular world against Catholic morals for a few decades and then gradually compromises. He fears that this could happen again with marriage and family.

Cardinal Burke agrees. He demands to speak the truth strongly: “We have to be ready to make whatever sacrifice is necessary to uphold the truth.”

He refers to Saint Pius X, the great opponent of Modernism, and notices that the Modernism condemned by Pius X “sounds like today”.

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The average Catholic could ask : if for Cardinal Raymond Burke there is salvation outside the Church, there is salvation for Protestants who do not go for Mass on Sundays, then why do I have to do so ?

Cardinal Raymond Burke says that when he is referred to as a fundamentalist he responds by saying if following Jesus means being called a fundamentalist then he would not object to being called a fundamentalist.
In the same way I suppose if following Jesus means being called Anti Semitic then he would agree to be called an Anti-Semite.Or perhaps not.
SInce on the issue of mortal sin and the Eucharist Cardinal Burke is Catholic for me.He may be called a fundamentalist or a traditionalist by some.
However on the issue of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) for me he is a liberal.He could not be called Anti-Semitic or fundamentalist.
I do not use subjectivism in the interpretation of the dogma EENS, Cardinal Burke and the liberals do.So he avoids 
the leftist label.
I do not use subjectivism in the interpretation of Vatican Council II. Cardinal Burke and the Jewish Left do .
I do not say that there are known exceptions to the dogma EENS or that the baptism of desire is a known exception. He does.
I do not say that hypothetical cases of being saved in invincible ignorance, with or without the baptism of water, are relevant to the dogma EENs. For him these cases are relevant.
I do not say that hypothetical cases must be considered objective and seen in the flesh. For him LG 16 is not hypotheical. It is an objective case. It is relevant to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENs. For him it is an 
explicit exception to EENS according to the 16th century missionaries.
So in his catechesis he says not every one needs to be a formal member of the Chruch and there is salvation outside the Church.
So the average Catholic could ask : if for Cardinal Burke there is salvation outside the Church, there is salvation, for Protestants who do not go for Mass on Sundays  then why do I have to do so ?

And if there is salvation outside the Church, the ordinary Catholic could ask,
then why must I live like a Catholic or be  a Catholic , when I can just be an average good person?
-Lionel Andrades

Cardinal Burke will not affirm Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.If he did Vatican Council II would not be a break with the dogma EENS according to the 16th century missionaries

Father Carota Update

Traditional Catholic Priest    
by Fr. Peter Carota

May 14, 2016

Father Carota Update

That is the only update I can provide at this moment.
Father has been sick since late summer last year. He hasn’t posted anything new but 3 times since then. Many of the articles were re-posted from things he wrote a few years ago, some were from what I wrote, and most were writings from the saints that I put up to continue the blogging.
This blog has been about Father’s journey and how he has helped many people grow in faith and how he has helped them to rediscover tradition. As such, it is hard for others to write on this blog, or to post much of anything because the main writer is not well enough to do so. The personality that we have grown to love and care for is missing, because he is not able to continue writing.
Father has sought treatment for his unidentified issues and has not found any solution for them. He continues to grow weaker and is unable to eat much or drink water. Many people have wanted to know what has been done and how they can help. Father’s brother is a doctor and they have done/tried many things to figure out what is wrong and they simply do not know and he continues to not improve.
The best way you can help, is to pray for healing for Father, and to pray for him to have peace throughout this time and that God’s will may be accomplished.
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