Friday, November 4, 2016

Oh, where is Luther today?


LUTHERANS ARE ON THE WAY TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL II 1 and the Catholic saints.
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1. A Blessed who saw angels, Martin Luther, and YOU!

http://wdtprs.com/blog/2016/11/a-blessed-who-saw-angels-martin-luther-and-you/

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2. PADRE PIO SAID THAT MARTIN LUTHER IS IN HELL AND CHRISTIANS WHO FOLLOW HIM WILL MEET THE SAME END
- Fr.Stefano Manelli F.I, founder of the Franciscans of the Immaculate

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/padre-pio-said-that-martin-luther-is-in.html


3.LUTHERANS, PROTESTANTS ARE GOING TO HELL SAID ST.TERESA OF AVILA

 http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/lutherans-protestants-are-going-to-hell.html

-Lionel Andrades


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OCTOBER 30, 2016


Feeneyite Vatican Council II says Lutherans are on the way to Hell.http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/search?q=Vatican+Council+II+says+Luther+is+in+hell

OCTOBER 17, 2016


LUTHERANS ARE ON THE WAY TO HELL ACCORDING TO VATICAN COUNCIL IIhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/10/lutherans-are-on-way-to-hell-according.html

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In 1883, Sister Maria Serafina Micheli (1849-1911) was beatified in Faicchio in the province of Benevento in the diocese of Cerreto Sannita 28 May 2011, the foundress of the Sisters of the Angels, was going to Eisleben, Saxony, the birthplace of Luther.

The fourth centenary of the birth of the great heretic (10 November 1483) was celebrated on that day. Luther divided Europe and the Church. [The] streets were crowded, balconies included. Among the many personalities were expected at any time, with the arrival of Emperor Wilhelm I, who presided over the solemn celebrations.

The future Blessed, noting the great hoopla was not interested in knowing the reason for this unusual animation, his only desire was to find a church and pray to be able to make a visit to the Blessed Sacrament. After walking for a while, she finally found one, but the doors were closed.

She knelt on the steps for Serenity Prayer. As it was in the evening, she had not noticed that it was not a Catholic church, but Protestant. While praying, the angel appeared, who said to him. “Arise, because it is a Protestant church”.

Then he added: “But I want you to see where Martin Luther was condemned and the pain he suffered as a punishment for his pride.”

After these words, she saw a terrible abyss of fire, where they were cruelly tortured countless souls.

In the bottom of this hole there was a man, Martin Luther, which differed from the other: it was surrounded by demons that forced him to kneel, and all armed with hammers, they tried in vain , to shove a big nail in the head.
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2016/11/a-blessed-who-saw-angels-martin-luther-and-you/ 


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Tim Sebastian,Conflict Zone interprets Vatican Council II with an irrational premise and conclusion : so he refers to ' the church's doctrinal changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council'

Conflict Zone - Bernard Fellay und Tim Sebastian
 
Tim Sebastian, Conflict Zone:
The Society of St. Pius X is a fraternity of priests which was founded by the French Roman Catholic Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre in response to the church's doctrinal changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council in the mid 1960s. All along, Lefebvre's aim was to resist the Vatican's efforts to modernize the Church. Its traditionalist members have taken aim at Jews, homosexuals and Muslims in the past.
Lionel:
in response to the church's doctrinal changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council in the mid 1960s.
This is a loaded line. It is the usual Jewish Left propaganda by one of their agents.
It is important to note that Tim Sebastian is interpreting Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and conclusion.
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In 1990, Marcel Lefebvre was convicted of defaming the Muslim community of France. He had to pay a 5,000 Franc fine. Confronted with this, Fellay told Tim Sebastian these were marginal episodes: "They are really side questions. That’s not our thing. That's not what we do."
Lionel:
Vatican Council II interpreted without the irrational premise and conclusion would be saying all Muslims and Jews in 2016 need 'faith and baptism' for salvation(Ad Gentes 7). They do not have it at the time of death. So they are all oriented to Hell, in general, according to Vatican Council II.
Secondly, without the irrational premise and conclusion Vatican Council II does not contradict the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades 
 

Bishop Bernard Fellay interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and conclusion : there is an option, a rational conclusion of which he is unaware of. http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/bishop-bernard-fellay-interprets.html

November 3, 2016

Irrational premises and conclusions: there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/irrational-premises-and-conclusions.html
 
http://www.dw.com/en/bishop-bernard-fellay-between-traditionalism-and-religious-slur/a-18657624

Pope Scandal in Sweden: One French Priest Objects

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Pope Scandal in Sweden: One French Priest Objects 



The Year of Mercy ends this month, and whatever happened to those Missionaries of Mercy? And now Pope Francis signs a joint declaration with the Lutherans--marking yet another publicity stunt. Where's the outrage? Where are the bishops? One French priest is refusing to be silent. And his lonely stand for Christ and the Martyrs of Tyburn will go down in history. Otherwise, [crickets]...

Bishop Bernard Fellay interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise and conclusion : there is an option, a rational conclusion of which he is unaware of.

IRRATIONAL PREMISES
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
 

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming others could see invisible cases in the present and the past.It was assuming that the baptism of desire refers to a known case in the past.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSIONS
So every one does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.There are known people saved without the baptism of water.

So every Protestant does not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are known cases in 2016 for Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
The Catholic Church has rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus since there are known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
Since invisible cases are visible in the present times and there are visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus
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BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY ASSUMES THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES KNOWN ONLY TO GOD ARE EXPLICIT IN THE PRESENT TIMES AND RELEVANT TO EENS

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The same declaration (LG, 8) also recognizes the presence of “salvific elements” in non-Catholic Christian communities. The decree on ecumenism goes even further, adding that “the Spirit of Christ does not refrain from using these churches and communities as means of salvation, which derive their efficacy from the fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church.” (UR, 3)
Such statements are irreconcilable with the dogma “No salvation outside of the Church, which was reaffirmed by a Letter of the Holy Office on August 8, 1949". -Bishop Bernard Fellay (April 13, 2014 ) Letter to Friends and Benefactors no. 82

Bishop Bernard Fellay interprets Vatican Council Ii with the irrational premise.For him UR 3 refers to a visible case.So it is relevant and an exception to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
He also interprets extra ecclesiam nulla salus according to the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The Letter assumes the baptism of desire etc is visible. This is irrational. This is Cushingism.
For me the Decree on Ecumenism (UR 3) refers to an invisible case.So it is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for me.
Bishop Bernard Fellay interprets Vatican Council II(LG 8,UR 3) with the irrational premise and conclusion.
There is an option.There is a rational conclusion.
Let us see the irrational and rational conclusions side by side.

IRRATIONAL PREMISES
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
The irrational premise is assuming others could see invisible cases in the present and the past.It was assuming that the baptism of desire refers to a known case in the past.
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CONCLUSIONS
IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does not need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are exceptions.There are known people saved without the baptism of water.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION:
So every one does need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church in 2016 since there are no exceptions.There are no known cases of people saved without the baptism of water.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does not need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation because there are known cases in 2016 for Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
So every Protestant does need to formally enter the Catholic Church for salvation as taught by the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus because there are known cases in 2016 of Protestants saved 'in imperfect communion with the Church'(UR 3).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION




The Catholic Church has rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.
RATIONAL CONCLUSION
The Catholic Church has not rejected Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salussince there are no known cases in 2016 of persons saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.There are no visible exceptions.
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION




Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Pope Benedict XVI said that extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries since there is a development with Vatican Council II, LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to known cases in 2016 and so they are exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The pope was wrong. Since there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016.




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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

RATIONAL CONCLUSION

 
Archbishop Augustine di Noia told Edward Pentin that not every one needs to enter the Church since Vatican Council II (LG 8) says there are 'elements of sanctification and truth' in other religions.So it is implied that LG 8 refers to known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water, which are exceptions to all needing to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.




He was wrong. There are no known cases in 2016 of person saved with 'elements of sanctification and truth'.So there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus in Vatican Council II (LG 8).
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IRRATIONAL CONCLUSION

 
Since invisible cases are visible in the present times and there are visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does not need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 




RATIONAL CONCLUSION
Since invisible cases are NOT visible in the present times and there are NO visible cases of the baptism of desire etc every one does need to be a formal member of the Church, with faith and baptism, as was taught by Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
For Cardinal Ratzinger the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is no more like it was for the 16th century missionaries. He said this in the daily Avvenire.
So for him there are exceptions.
This is Cushingism.
In the theological paper of the International Theological Commission on 'Christianity and the World Religions' he says Pope Pius XII corrected the error of Fr.Leonard Feeney on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So for the ITC there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So this is Cushingism.


Do you think that since they were using Cushingism Vatican Council II was a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? There was known salvation outside the Church. Since there was known salvation outside the Church there are exceptions to an ecumenism of return, the need for the Social Reign of Christ the King and the need for all non Christians to formally convert into the Catholic Church.

 




Do you think that if they used Feeneyism as a philosophical reasoning and theology Vatican Council II would not be a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?. There was no known salvation outside the Church. Since there was no known salvation outside the Church there are no known exceptions to an ecumenism of return, the need to teach the Social Reign of Christ the King and the need for all non Christians to formally convert into the Catholic Church.
If all of them would accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr. Leonard Feeney then Vatican Council II would pastorally be in harmony with Tradition ?
1.Fr.Leonard Feeney said that there were no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
2.For him there were no exceptions of the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
3.For him hypothetical cases could not be objective exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in the present times.This is something objective and factual.Example, people now in Heaven allegedly saved without the baptism of water are hypothetical cases for us. So they cannot be known exceptions on earth in the present times to the dogmatic teaching on needing to enter the Church as members.
4.Similarly if someone died allegedly without the baptism of desire in the past centuries, cannot be a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in 2016.
This is Feeneyism for me.
So with Feeneyism:
1.There are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since humanly speaking there cannot be an exception. We cannot know someone who will be saved or has been saved without the baptism of water.This is something known only to God.
2.There are no known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus mentioned in Vatican Council II.There cannot be any physically or personally known.
3.The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance mentioned in Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) is not a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.It refers to a hypothetical case which objectively cannot be known.
So with Feeneyism, the conclusion for me, is that there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There cannot be any exception known to us on earth.
So in Vatican Council II there are no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors ( on ecumenism and inter-religious dialogue), the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( outside the Church there is no salvation), the Nicene Creed( I believe in one known baptism for the forgivess of sins and it is the baptism of water.I do not believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins. The baptism of desire, for example, is not a known baptism in personal cases as is the baptism of water.I cannot physically repeat it. I cannot see it being given. I cannot give the baptism of desire to someone.
So if everyone would accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was interpreted by Fr. Leonard Feeney then Vatican Council II would pastorally be in harmony with Tradition.
-Lionel Andrades



Could you identify the irrational premise and conclusion for me ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/could-you-identify-irrational-premise.html

Do you agree that there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II with or without an irrational premise and conclusion?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/do-you-agree-that-there-can-be.html

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/when-irrational-premise-is-used-i-refer.html