Thursday, November 30, 2017

With this irrational theology, the new theology of the two popes, there is lex orandi and lex credendi among the traditionalists and liberals

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While the Traditional Latin Mass, which more perfectly expresses Catholic doctrine, is superior to the Novus Ordo on that account, it would be wrong to exaggerate this secondary aspect of the Mass over and above what is primary. In fact, to emphasize this teaching aspect of the Mass over what is primary and most important, is to fall into one of the Protestant errors concerning the Mass that is so often part of the ambiance of the Novus Ordo.
None of this is to diminish the importance of the ancient axiom lex orandi lex credendi, which says, in summary, that the words of the traditional worship of the Church are a reliable aqueduct of apostolic tradition, and are, therefore, useful for theological argumentation.-Brother Andre Marie, MICM (The Four Ends of the Mass)  http://catholicism.org/ad-rem-no-305.html
The Traditional Latin Mass in itself does not perfectly or 'more perfectly express Catholic doctrine' since at the St. Benedict Centers in the diocese of Manchester and Worcester the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary  offer/attend Holy Mass by interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrational premise. So the conclusion is a rupture with Tradition.

There can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II can be interpreted with the baptism of desire seen as referring to a physically known person or an invisible person. The inference decides this. It is the same with other hypothetical cases like being saved in invincible ignorance(LG16). 
So for the St.Benedict Centers at the Traditional Latin Mass Vatican Council II(LG 16) is considered an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as it was known to the missionaries in the 16th century. So there is a rupture with the old ecclesiology and Tradition(Syllabus of Errors etc).Since there is a rupture with Tradition it is implied that there is a known case of someone who is an exception. There is a known case of someone saved outside the Church without the baptism of water but in invincible ignorance.
For me LG 16 refers to an invisible person in 2017 and so cannot be a known exception to EENS.Vatican Council II is not a rupture with Tradition. It is with this theology and doctrine that I attend the Traditional Latin Mass and the Novus Ordo.
So on this point the Traditional Latin Mass is not superior to  the Novus Ordo Mass.
It is with this irrational theology, the new theology of the two popes, that there is lex orandi and lex credendi among the traditionalists and liberals.
The SSPX ,FSSP and sedevacantists also use the irrational premise to interpret EENS. So today we have an EENS (Cushingite) as opposed to the EENS (Feeneyite) of the St. Benedict Centers.All are traditionalists at the Traditional Latin Mass.
Fr.John Zuhsldorf recommends the Catechism of the Catholic Church which he interprets with the false premise and then offers the Traditional Latin Mass. The same error is made by Bishop Morlino in Madison, USA.-Lionel Andrades


NOVEMBER 19, 2017

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Rorate Caeili , Una Voce offer Traditional Latin Mass without EENS(Feeneyite) as in the 16th century Latin Mass :alternative to New Age
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/rorate-caeili-una-voce-offer.html

When Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay meet a non Catholic they know he or she is oriented to Hell because the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit teaches this (Vatican Council II, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc)

So it means that when Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay meet a non Catholic, in their office, they know that he or she is oriented to Hell not because they can read souls but because the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit teaches this (Vatican Council II, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ).1
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Repost : No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II 

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Wednesday, November 29, 2017

No denial from Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay : two interpretations of Vatican Council II and theirs is the irrational one












For Lionel Andrades on the blog Eucharist and Mission they refer to invisible and unknown cases in 2017. So they are not exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.




 





 


 
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There is no denial from Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Prefect, of the Congregation for the Doctrine  or Bishop Bernard Fellay, Superior of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX).They agree with me!
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They acknowledge that there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II,one is rational and the other irrational.Thiers is the irrational one.
They realize that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance is being interpreted as physically known or unknown in 2017 and they have chosen the irrational option.
They know that for me LG 16,LG 8, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases. So Vatican Council II cannot be a rupture with the past ecclesiology of the Church based on Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
 
They know that the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II would be saying 'all' non Catholics, with no exception,in the present times, need 'faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7) for 'salvation'.So LG16 ( invincible ignorance) being an invisible case is not exception to Ad Gentes 7.The majority of people today at the time of death, are oriented to Hell, since they die without 'faith and baptism'(AG 7,LG 14).This is Vatican Council II and not just Tradition.
Ladaria and Fellay do not object when I say, that the ecclesiology of the Church before and after Vatican Council II is the same and it is in harmony with the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century on EENS.
 
Since the old ecclesiology of the Church is intact for me there can only be an ecumenism of return and traditional mission.This would be  knowing all the natives in the Americas before Columbus, were oriented to Hell until the missionaries went there.It was the same for Goa, India before the arrival of St. Francis Xavier.The ordinary way of salvation is faith and baptism and not invincible ignorance and other unknown exceptions.
To consider invincible ignorance as the ordinary means of salvation would be irrational and a new doctrine.It would contradict Vatican Council II (AG 7).
So it means that when Cardinal Ladaria and Bishop Fellay meet a non Catholic, in their office, they know that he or she is oriented to Hell not because they can read souls but because the Catholic Church inspired by the Holy Spirit teaches this (Vatican Council II, Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441 etc  on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ).
It means all religious communities can affirm Vatican Council II, the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS and the past ecclesiology, to receive canonical status.They meet the doctrinal requirement set by the Church for the SSPX. Cardinal Ladaria agrees with me.
Since there is no known salvation outside the church and everyone needs to have his name on the parish baptism register, to avoid Hell, the priority is the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and so also the non separation of Church and State.This would be the traditional teaching of the Catholic Church outside of which there is no salvation, and which is not contradicted by Vatican Council II.-Lionel Andrades

November 28, 2017
 
 
 




 
Repost : No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria-cdf_28.html

 

November 22, 2017
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Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, CDF Prefect's objective error as President of the ITC must not be ignored : de -railed Vatican-SSPX agreement

November 17, 2017

Repost :No denial from SSPX : Books of Archbishop Lefebvre are obsolete now : so are the writings on Vatican Council II by Chris Ferrara and Roberto dei Mattei
 





http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/repost-no-denial-from-sspx-books-of_17.html


November 18, 2017
Repost : No denial from Dr.Robert Fastiggi or the Society of St.Pius X : all agree invisible people are not visible exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus
 


November 18, 2017
Repost :When will the SSPX and the St.Benedict Centers simply say that there are no baptism of desire cases in our reality ?




http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/repost-when-will-sspx-and-stbenedict.html

 November 18, 2017
Repost : Atila S. Guimarães made a mistake in the interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus : with the same irrational reasoning Vatican Council II emerges as a break with Tradition for him



http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/repost-atila-s-guimaraes-made-mistake.html


November 18, 2017

Repost : Have you noticed that physically visible or invisible BOD here has produced two different conclusions in the interpretation of Vatican Council II


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/repost-have-you-noticed-that-physically.html




November 20, 2017

Pope Francis has made a doctrinal mistake and is forcing it upon the St.Benedict Centers, SSPX and Franciscans of the Immaculate : he can correct it with an announcement






Tuesday, November 28, 2017

Repost : No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II

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No denial from Cardinal Ladaria, CDF : schism from the Left over Vatican Council II
There is no denial from Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j,the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) or Ecclesia Dei.A schism from the Left is possible on Vatican Council II. And the CDF cardinals and bishops will be in rebellion.They already are.They refuse to issue a clarification or comment on this subject.
In Redemptoris Missio, Cardinal Ratzinger indicated that 'the past ecclesiology' no more exists.But truth has a way of asserting itself independent of us mortals.He was wrong.In his Catechism(1994) he did away with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and called it an 'aphorism'.
Continued
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/no-denial-from-cardinal-ladaria-cdf.html







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Monday, November 27, 2017


Ask Cardinal Ladaria a few questions when you meet him


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/11/ask-cardinal-ladaria-few-questions-when.html












4.For Lionel Andrades on the blog Eucharist and Mission they refer to invisible and unknown cases in 2017. So they are not exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.Would you agree or disagree with him?



5.For him the magisterium made a mistake in 1949 and then again in Vatican Council II(1965).The magisterium inferred that there were visible people. There cannot be any first hand experience of a known person saved outside the Church.Would you agree?


 





 
 
 




12.For him Pope Benedict XVI made an objective mistake in March 2016 when in Avvenire he said that EENS today was no more like it was for the missionaries in the 16th century since there was a development with Vatican Council II.There could only be a development when invisible BOD,BOB and I.I are considered visible.Without this false premise Vatican Council II would not contradict EENS as it was known to the missionaries and magisterium of the 16th century,would you agree ?-Lionel Andrades

Note : The Pontifical Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews,2015 uses the new theology with invisible cases of BOD,BOB and I.I being visible exceptions' to the dogma EENS. Since 'possibilities are known exceptions to EENS in the present times this Commission infers that Jews do not need to convert since there could be known exceptions to the dogma EENS. Also possibilities which refer really to unknown people, are known exceptions to all needing to believe in Jesus in the Catholic Church.
So it is not necessary to believe in Jesus as the Messiah for Cardinal Kurt Koch and the liberal Jewish rabbi associated with the Jewish Anti Defamation League of B'nai Brith.There is salvation outside the Church. There is known salvation outside the Church. This is the irrational theology approved by Pope Benedict XVI whom Pope Francis has recently called ' a master'.- L.A

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