Monday, September 25, 2017

There is a mistake in Vatican Council II : two popes need to be shown that in principle hypothetical cases are not exceptions to EENS


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There is a mistake in Vatican Council II.However in spite of the mistake the Council can be interpreted in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors.

MISTAKE IN PRINCIPLE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II
The mistake which they made was to assume in principle  that hypothetical cases were not hypothetical but explicit and objective people.It was further assumed in principle that these invisible cases which were allegedly visible were examples of salvation outside the Church.Non Catholics saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

IN THE MIND OF CARDINAL CUSHING AND ARCHBISHOP LEFEBVRE
In the mind of Cardinal Cushing and Archbishop Lefebvre at Vatican Council II invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) were visible people saved outside the Church.
So the Council had mistaken hypothetical cases(LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, AG7, AG11, GS 22 etc) as not being hypothetical but real people saved outside the Church who were considered exceptions to the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.
Lumen Gentium 16 etc should not have been mentioned in Vatican Council II.Since LG 16, LG 8, LG 14, UR 3, NA 2, AG 7, AG 11, GS 22 etc are refer to theoretical cases they are hypothetical speculation, things hoped for with good will.
What is the point in saying that a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and with a good conscience when we do not know any such person in real life who would be saved as such?
Why mention the demand for the baptism of water by a catechumen who dies before he receives it, when the catechumen is unknown?

LG 16, LG 8, AG 11 ETC REFER TO 'ZERO CASES'
If someone was saved in another religions with 'seeds of the Word'(AG 11) or 'elements of sanctification and truth'(LG 8), in our reality it would be ' a zero case' as John Martignoni refers to BOD, BOB and I.I.
Hypothetical cases are zero cases in our reality, we cannot see or meet someone saved in I.I, BOD, BOB, with or without the baptism of water.
So what all the controversy over subsist it (LG 8) ? We cannot know any one saved outside the Church.
Hypothetical cases being mixed up for being objective exceptions to EENS is a false theology in Vatican Council II.
It is clear that theoretical cases are not visible in 2017.

WE CAN RE-READ VATICAN COUNCIL II
So what if we read Vatican Council II without this fault? Can we avoid the factual error in Vatican Council which is not the work of the Holy Spirit?
Yes.
We can re-read Vatican Council II aware of the original error of the Council Fathers.
We have to be aware that there is no known case of the catechumen who dies before receiving the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and who is saved.So this eliminates an exception to Ad Gentes and Lumen Gentium 14 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.So the passage in the Council which refers to the desire and longing of a catechumen is ' a dud'.1
We know that we cannot meet any one today or in the past who was saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.So the passages in Lumen Gentium 14 and Ad Gentes 7 which seem to contradict EENS( all need faith and baptism for salvation) is an empty passage.
Then Lumen Gentium 14 says only those who know about Jesus and the Church need to enter the Church to avoid Hell.In other words those who are in invincible ignorance are known exceptions to the dogma EENS and so not every one in general needs to be incorporated into the Church as a member for salvation, but only those who 'know'.LG 14 shows the the specious reasoning and conclusion of the Church Fathers at Vatican Council II.

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE MADE AN OBJECTIVE MISTAKE
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston in principle accepted hypothetical cases as being exceptions to Feeneyite EENS.The traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation had exceptions for the Letter .This was made the standard philosophical reasoning at Vatican Council II.

MAGISTERIAL HERESY
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 irrationally and heretically states ' Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member' when the Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 says the opposite.2
So even though there were no visible cases of non Catholics saved outside the Church, the New Theology at Boston(1949) and Vatican Council II (1965) suggests there are.So with known and visible salvation outside the Church there is no more an ecumenism or return since the Protestant can be saved in his religion. There is no more a need to proclaim the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation, since outside the Church there was salvation. There was no need for mission.  

NEW NORM                                                                                 
Ecclesiastical missionary had maintained the excommunication of Fr. Leonard Feeney right through Vatican Council II(1965)so that people would think that invisible for us BOD, BOB and I.I were visible exceptions to the dogma EENS. The Jesuits expelled Fr. Leonard Feeney from the community and Catholic professors at Boston College, whom he supported,were expelled.The new norm was unknown cases of BOD, BOB and I.I must be accepted as being known.

WE CAN AVOID THE MISTAKE MADE AT VATICAN COUNCIL II
We can now avoid the mistake they made at Vatican Council II.The Vatican Council II of Cushing and Lefebvbre changes.Ratzinger, Rahner and Kung's work will be in vain.We are automatically back to the old ecclesiology of the Church with invisible BOD, BOB and I.I.With the old ecclesiology intact there can only be an ecumenism of return.There is the need for the proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and the non separation of Church and State since the priority for getting into Heaven for all people is being incorporated into the Catholic Church, outside of which there is no salvation.

ECCLESIOLOGY OF MASS IS THE SAME : HOPE FOR TRADITIONALISTS AND SEDEVACANTISTS
So the ecclesiology at the Novus Ordo, Tridentine Latin an Greek Mass is the same.Cardinals can affirm Feeneyite EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II and ask the two popes to do the same.Traditionalists do not have to reject Vatican Council II to affirm Feeneyite EENS as did the 2012 General Chapter Statement of the Society of St. Pius X(SSPX).Sedevacantists can come back into the Church accepting the strict interpretation of EENS in harmony with Vatican Council II, interpreted with hypothetical cases just being hypothetical.-Lionel Andrades

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 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6)...-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II


14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.,,
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.-Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

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http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html
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 SEPTEMBER 24, 2017

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-two-living-popes-need-to-correct.html


SEPTEMBER 23, 2017

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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/09/the-catholic-church-guided-by-holy.html