Georgia Melloni must move Parliament : Popes, cardinals, bishops and priests must be free to interpret Vatican Council II rationally in Italy

 

Cardinal Ladaria, Cupich, Roche and Burke before offering Holy Mas must interpret Vatican Council II rationally and avoid the mistake of the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office (CDF).Though it is possible that if the cardinals interpreted Vatican Council II rationally (and so would be affirming Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus) they could be excommunicated suspended or laicized. This is the fear priest-professors at the pontifical universities live it. They have received threats from the Rome Vicariate who are supported by the Jewish Left in Rome.

Cardinal Roche offers Mass at the University of St.Anselm chapel, Rome, where he interprets Vatican Council II with a Fake Premise creating new versions of the Council.I use the Rational Premise. So the Creeds have not changed for me.

Cardinal Ladaria offers Mass with the Jesuits and they all interpret the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance, with the Irrational Premise. So ‘objective exceptions’ are produced for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So even the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors have ‘objective exceptions’ for him and Pope Benedict.

Even when conservative cardinals like Raymond Leo Burke choose the False Premise the result is heresy and schism with the pre-1949 Magisterium.

This is a simple and politically correct way to break with Tradition. They only have to use the False Premise. So there are two issues here 1) theological/ philosophical and 2) political threats of excommunication.

1.Philosophy/Theology.Any priest, bishop or cardinal who interprets the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, rationally is threathened with excommunication, laicization , suspension etc by the Rome Vicariate and the Vatican.This is approved by the Joint Vatican-Israel Consortium. Pope Pius XII seemed to understand this.

GEORGIA MELLONI COULD MOVE PARLIAMENT

The Lega and Fratelli Italia political parties could put forward a motion in the Parliament calling for the non political  interpretation of Vatican Council II and the freedom for popes, cardinals, bishops and priests, to affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Also Catholic professors and priests who teach at the pontifical universities in Rome, must not be threatened and subdued by Leftist laws, like Anti-Semitism, which were approved by Silvio Berlusconi, Gianfranco Fini, the ADL and the Masons.

Lionel Andrades

DECEMBER 28, 2022

The Lega and Fratelli Italia political parties must put forward a motion in the Italian Parliament calling for the non political interpretation of Vatican Council II

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DECEMBER 27, 2022

It is obligatory for Lorenzo Fontana, Georgia Melloni and Matteo Salvini to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and so ethically

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/12/incomplete-it-is-obligatory-forlorenzo.html

The Bishops Conferences in Poland and Hungary do not know about the Rational and Irrational Premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II

 

FEBRUARY 8, 2020

Cardinal Pietro Parolin must ask the Governments of Poland and Hungary to choose the rational interpretation of Vatican Council II

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OCTOBER 10, 2018

Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Sjizzarto must tell Cardinal Pietro Parolin to end the Leftist version of Catholicism in Hungary

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/hungarian-prime-minister-peter.html

OCTOBER 2, 2018

When the Catholic Church in Hungary and Poland affirm Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) then the Church's doctrine and theology would be the same as during the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/when-they-catholic-church-in-hungary.html

DECEMBER 12, 2018

God has no favourites and every one needs to be a member of the Catholic Church for salvation.

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ECEMBER 12, 2018 SOLAMENTE LA CHIESA CATTOLICA   

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JULY 4, 2017 Rational and traditional Catholic apologetics based on Feeneyism and not Cushingism  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/rational-and-traditional-catholic.html

 

 'He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.'   http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2018/01/he-that-believeth-in-him-is-not-judged.html

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   DECEMBER 1, 2017 The lex orandi lex credendi of Catholics today is based on irrational Cushingite theology.The Feeneyite alternative is ignored by al lhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/the-lex-orandi-lex-credendi-of_1.html       

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OCTOBER 22, 2017  Membership in the Catholic Church is the only way to go to Heaven. There is only one way to go to Heaven  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/10/membership-in-catholic-church-is-only.html

A clarification needs to be issued by the Vatican  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/a-clarification-need-to-be-issued-by.html

SEPTEMBER 22, 2019 Cardinals and bishops at the Synods, under the influence of Cardinal Ratzinger/Pope Benedict rejected exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. They assumed hypothetical and unknown cases of LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc were objective examples of salvation outside the Church. So for them, like it was for Cardinal Ratzinger, the Syllabus of Errors had become obsolete. This is official modernism. The Oath Against Modernism is violated. Also the Oath of Office for religious and bishops, has become modernistic with the New Theology of Rahner and Ratzinger https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/cardinals-and-bishops-and-cardinals-at.html

 SEPTEMBER 22, 2019THERE IS NO UNITY WITH THE APOSTLES SINCE CARDINAL RATZINGER REJECTS EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HTTPS://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.COM/2019/09/THERE-IS-NO-UNITY-WITH-APOSTLES-SINCE.HTML

SEPTEMBER 22, 2019 Cardinal Walter Kasper interprets Vatican Council II with hypothetical cases being objective . What is invisible is visible.What is implicit is confused as being explicit.He mixed up what is subjective as being objective.In this way a rupture with the old ecclesiology and the rest of Tradition, is created.His books on ecclesiology with this error are recommended reading at Ecclesiology semesters at the pontifical universities . They are approved by Pope Benedict and now Pope Francis. In an article on Ecclesiology, Cardinal Marc Oulett,uses Cardinal Kasper's books in the reference  https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/09/cardinal-walter-kasper-interprets.html

SEPTEMBER 22, 2019POPE BENEDICT'S ARTICLE ON ECCLESIOLOGY IS FLAWED SINCE LIKE CARDINAL KASPER HE PROJECTED WHAT IS HYPOTHETICAL AS BEING NON HYPOTHETICAL, INVISIBLE AS VISIBLE, IMPLICIT AS EXPLICIT AND SUBJECTIVE AS OBJECTIVE TO CREATE A RUPTURE WITH TRADITION AND THE PAST ECCLESIOLOGY. THE ERROR IS BEING FOLLOWED BY THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH(CDF) . THEY TOO INTERPRET LUMEN GENTIUM AS CONTRADICTING TRADITION; THE PAST ECCLESIOLOGY, THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS ETC. SO THE ATHANASIUS CREED IS MADE OBSOLETE AND THE NICENE CREED CHANGED. THEY PROBABLY KNEW THEIR THEOLOGY AND ECCLESIOLOGY IS FLAWED BUT CONTINUE WITH THE ERROR FOR POLITICAL REASONS. IT IS UNETHICAL AND DECEPTIVE AND NOT CATHOLIC

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Be an Only the Catholic Church religious community or organisation : Get back to traditional Mission based upon exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church in which there is true worship

 

DECEMBER 29, 2022

Be an Only the Catholic Church religious community or organisation.: Update your theology and philosophy

 

DECEMBER 28, 2022

Be an Only the Catholic Church religious community or organisation.

 

Be an Only the Catholic Church religious community or organisation.

1. Interpret Vatican Council II rationally with only the Rational Premise in harmony with Tradition.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/02/false-premise-inference-and-conclujsion.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/08/the-mainstream-church-is-liberal-today.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/05/it-is-with-false-premise-that-pope.html

2. Interpret 'the Red not being an exception to the Blue' in Vatican Council II, Catechisms, Dominus Iesus, Redemptoris Missio etc.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/01/the-books-by-archbishop-marcel-lefebvre.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/pope-francis-ecumenism-and-inter.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/01/in-dominus-iesus-red-is-not-exception.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/if-sspx-bishops-and-priests-are.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/06/cardinal-kurt-koch-interprets-vatican.html

3.Interpret Mystici Corporis, Quanta Cura,  Quanto Conficiamur Moerore 1 and the saints and popes over the centuries , who mention the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance, as not contradicting the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/09/if-any-one-says-that-invisible-people.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/09/frjean-marie-glleize-makes-doctrinal.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/cardinal-kasper-uses-specious-reasoning.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/06/cdf-interprets-quanto-conficiamur.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/07/vatican-council-ii-ur-dh-would.html
• ucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/07/on-ecumenism-other-religions-religious.html
• http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/08/sspx-can-accept-vatican-council-ii-in.html
• http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2015/04/no-text-in-quanto-conficiamur-moerore.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2013/08/sspx-is-not-following-tradition-quanto.html

4. Interpret Vatican Council II in harmony with the founders of the religious communities Franciscans, Dominicans, Carmelites etc, on extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/10/stfrancis-of-assisi-taught-extra.html

5. Understand that Vatican Council II is no reason to go into sedevacantism. The CMRI, MHT etc do not know about Vatican Council II (rational).

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/message-incomplete-most-holy-family.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/08/no-denial-from-sedevacantists-they-made.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/03/its-time-for-us-sedevacantists-to.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/03/we-simply-need-prelate-religious.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-mhfm-website-interprets-vatican.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/05/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-could-begin.html

6. When Church leaders and non Catholics refer to Vatican Council II loosely and do not make the rational/irrational distinction, they should be corrected.Only Vatican Council II ( rational) is acceptable. It is honest.

• 7.Irrespective of who was present at Vatican Council II( Congar, Murray, Rahner etc) and what was said or done, the Council can always be interpreted rationally. Since it is the Rational Premise which determines the hermeneutic of continuity with Tradition.
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/01/in-this-way-we-undo-damage-done-by.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/09/vatican-council-ii-is-dogmatic-and-not.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/there-are-so-many-reportsarticles-on.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/vatican-council-ii-is-dogmatic-but-fssp.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/03/you-can-interpret-vatican-council-ii.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/04/frpaul-mcdonald-is-really-saying.html

8. So at all liturgical rites, including the Novus Ordo, Mass we can only have the old ecclesiology/old Missal, when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally. Since the Council is traditional.The irrational common interpretation is not an option.It is dishonest.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/03/when-rational-premise-is-chosen-to.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-novus-ordo-mass-is-also-immemorial.html
• http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/joseph-shaw-interprets-vatican-council.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/peter-kwasniewski-like-present-two.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-rome-vicariate-only-grants.html

9. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is irrational and so cannot be Magisterial. Also the popes are Magisterial only when they interpret Vatican Council II rationally. They cannot be Magisterial when they choose the False Premise. It is the same for the cardinals and bishops.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/10/with-one-small-false-premise-which.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/04/letter-of-holy-office-1949-teaches.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/04/why-should-catholics-affirm-letter-of.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/09/those-who-accept-letter-of-holy-office.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-american-encyclopedia-has-repeated.html

10. At First Communion, Confirmation, Adult Catechesis and Evangelization only Vatican Council II rational must be chosen. So there is a return to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/02/in-my-parish-catechism-classes-are-not.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/11/in-may-parish-at-holy-communion-classes.html

11.We return to Traditional Mission based upon exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.So it is a return to EENS of the missionries of the 16th century. 

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/01/ireland-is-no-more-missionary-since.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/12/young-vocations-supporting-traditional.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/the-leftist-mission-program-being-sold.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/07/repost-mission-needed-without-rejecting.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/10/mission-based-on-new-gospel.html

12. There is true worship in only the Catholic Church. 

• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-first-commandment-of-god-is-i-am.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/03/the-theology-taught-at-confirmation-and.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-francis-and-cardinal-comastri-when.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/pope-francis-uses-false-premise-to.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/09/cardinal-angelo-comastri-like-cardinal.html
• https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/06/in-dijon-france-catholics-do-not-have.html

These concepts are also understood by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,in Richmond, New Hampshire. They interpret Vatican Council II ( rational) in harmony with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They could be helpful in explaining these concepts.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/04/there-is-augustine-instiute-graduate.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/06/cdf-does-not-support-st-augustine.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/06/sister-maria-philomena-micm-director-of_5.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2022/12/the-futureof-catholic-main-line-church.html

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2019/03/members-of-religious-communities-and.html

You can also e-mail me at : lionelandrades10@gmail.com

-Lionel Andrades

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Quanto_conficiamur_moerore

Notably, the encyclical addresses the subject of salvation outside of the church.^[2] Beginning by rebuking the belief that eternal salvation could be attained even while "living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity," Pius recognizes that there are "those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion(  invincible ignorane refers to invisible and hypothetical cases only it must be kept in mind. So there is no clash with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ). Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace."^[1] The Pope then strongly reaffirms the teaching of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus and affirms that those who oppose the teaching of the church or are "stubbornly separated" from it cannot obtain eternal salvation.^[1] The encyclical gives praise for those clergy, consecrated virgins, and people of Italy who have remained faithful and ends on a hopeful note.

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Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.It is in harmony with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option. This is an issue in philosophy.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional? This is a philosophical issue. A new theology is not being offered here. Instead with the Rational  Premise the New Theology is rejected and there is an automatic return to the Old Theology and Eccleisology of the Catholic Church.

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

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