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Gaudium et Specs 22 does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus : English bishop tells a lie

Gaudium et Specs 22 is referred to as an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus by Archbishop Kevin McDonald in the video below(3:43).
Here is  the text .

 All this holds true not only for Christians, but for all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way. For, since Christ died for all men, and since the ultimate vocation of man is in fact one, and divine, we ought to believe that the Holy Spirit in a manner known only to God offers to every man the possibility of being associated with this paschal mystery.-Gaudium et Specs 22

Since the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney assumes hypothetical cases are concrete and known and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church this error has been repeated in many passages in Vatican Council II.It is an error-theme.
 So when Archbishop McDonald refers in the video to ' all men of good will in whose hearts grace works in an unseen way' it really is a reference to an invisible person-but not for him!. For us human beings Gaudium et Specs 22 cannot refer to an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.(EENS). It is not relevant to EENS since it is a reference to an invisible person, an unknown person.
The Archbishop has mixed up what is invisible as being visible.He then uses this error to infer there is an exception to EENS.So there is salvation outside the Church.There is the Anonymous Catholic saved without being a member of the Church and for him, as the video shows, even without faith in Christ!!
This is his new theology based upon invisible cases being visible and unknown people being saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church who are physically visible on earth to be exceptions to the dogma EENS.

In the past he cited Ad Gentes 11, 'seeds of the Word' as a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.However 'seeds of the Word' is a general statement.It cannot refer to someone saved as such, outside the Church.
In the video he wrongly says that Gaudium et Specs says that people outside the Church ' can engage with the mystery of salvation' and that 'the Holy Spirit works in their life'. In other words these are not hypothetical cases. They are known people for him.So they become examples of salvation outside the Church for him and they are exceptions to the dogma EENS.
He says that 'the Holy Spirit can be operative in the lives of people who haven't come to faith in Christ'.Once again he is implying that these are known cases.They are not hypothetical or theoretical cases.So for him there are known exceptions outside the Church. In other words there is salvation outside the Church for him.
He refers to Redemptoris Missio(4:25). Yes even for Cardinal Ratzinger there was salvation outside the Church since invisible cases were visible.Rahner's Anonymous Christian theology is based upon the same error.
(4:40) 'If people live in goodness and truth and integrity in their own lives then the Holy Spirit is operative in that perosn'.Fine- but why mention this with reference to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Is it being implied that this is an exception to the dogma EENS and an example of salvation outside the Church? Yes. This is the staple theology of the liberals. 
He call this 'a statement of theological principle'. In principle, in his theology, he mixes up what is invisible as being visible.So now there are two theologies within the Catholic Church, Cushingism ( known exceptions to EENS and Feeneyism( no known exceptions to EENS) and their conclusion is different.
So Vatican Council II can be interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion is different.
Similarly EENS is interpreted with Feeneyism or Cushingism and the conclusion is different.
With the Feeneyite-Cushingite model Vatican Council II has a continuity or rupture with Tradition.For the English bishops Vatican Council II has a rupture with Tradition.
With the Cushingite model we have, what the bishop calls ' a developing model of Church'(5:09).
He says 'we must preach Jesus Christ'(5:56) and he means without the necessity of non Catholics entering the Church as members. This is no more an obligation since there is known salvation outside the Church for him.
-Lionel Andrades

MARCH 3, 2017


Adult Catholic tells lies on Internet

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/adult-catholic-tells-lies-on-internet.html

Adult Catholic tells lies on Internet

He is asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). The text of the dogma says everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church as a member for salvation.This was how St. Benedict,St.Francis Xavier, St. Francis of Assisi and numerous saints interpreted the dogma over the centuries.Now he has to get rid of this dogmatic teaching to follow the agenda of the secret societies and others.So what does he say?
He suggests that there are personally known, seen- in- the-flesh, visible-face- to- face cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance of Jesus and the Church and who are saved without being members of the Catholic Church.This is false.There are no such cases.
But he has to pretend that invisible cases are visible.Otherwise how can there be exceptions to EENS?
So he tells us a lie on the video (see below).1
He could have said that hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II (LG 16, LG 14, LG 8, NA 2 etc) and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney ( baptism of desire(BOD) and invincible ignorance (I.I)) are not exceptions to EENS.This is something obvious.It is common sense. We do not know any one on earth or Heaven saved as such even if claims are made to the contrary.
But he has to lie for whatever reason known to him.
Gaudium et Specs which he refers to is a hypothetical case.
Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) also refers to a hypothetical case.
They never were an exception to the dogma EENS.These passages are not relevant to EENS.
Zero cases of something are not exceptions to the dogma EENS says the apologist John Martignoni.
BOD and I.I are not exceptions to EENS says Fr.Stefano Visintin osb, Vice Rector at the Pontifical University of St.Anselm, Rome and former Dean of Theology.
Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson has the same message.
But for over 50 years this adult man has been telling lies on Vatican Council II and EENS( Feeneyite).For him baptism of desire, being saved in invincible ignorance and seeds of the Word (AG 11) are relevant to EENS.
At inter-faith meetings in Britain he lies about what the Catholic Church really teaches in Vatican Council II and EENS ( Feeneyite).
The text of EENS and Vatican Council II tell us that all need faith and baptism for salvation(AG 7, Council of Florence 1441) but he has to pretend.He has to decieve.He must act as if he does not know about it.Since he cannot proclaim this to the Jews.Vatican Council II and EENS tell us that all Jews are oriented to Hell.Unless of course they convert into the Catholic Church as members.
Liar Kevin McDonald is protecting his lifestyle and may be his life too.
If he said Gaudium et Specs  and Lumen Gentium 16 refer to invisible people in 2017 Muslims would be protesting outside his comfortable house. So he changes the Gospel.
He does not comment on thousands of reports on line which affirm Gaudium et Specs, Lumen Gentium etc but as hypothetical cases, theoretical possibilities known only to God.Vatican Council II is not rejected.Since it does not contradict EENS.
Vatican Council II for me is not a rupture with the absolutist interpretation of EENS and Tradition (Syllabus of Errors etc).Vatican Council II, Feeneyite, in whcih invisible cases are always invisible is in harmony with EENS, Feeneyite in which the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases.
I do not know any one on earth who will be an exception to EENS. This is something only God can judge.So if I suggest that I did know such a person and then infer that this invisible case was a visible exception to EENS, I would be telling a lie. This would be deception.-Lionel Andrades

1.
Theologians in Conversation; Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
https://youtu.be/HrEnMM6aAv0

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March 1, 2017
English Bishop interprets Vatican Council II and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with irrational Cushingism  http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-interprets-vatican.html

March 2, 2017
English bishop says Jews do not need to convert and they have their own covenant http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-repeats-masonic-line.html

March 2, 2017
English bishop indicates pope was wrong
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-bishop-indicates-pope-was-wrong.html


March 2, 2017
English liberal bishop uses straw man arguement
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/english-liberal-bishop-uses-straw-man.html


March 2, 2017
Who am I (Lionel) and what do I believe in ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/03/who-am-i-lionel-and-what-do-i-believe.html