Monday, November 10, 2014

Love the Church

Daniele Sebastianelli on the need for proclamation and evangelisation

Daniele Sebastianelli has been a coordinatore of Militia Christi. He has a degree in Communications from the University of Santa Croce.I spoke to him yesterday.
He said that a non Catholic could be saved in another religion and this would be a theoretical case for us. It would only be known to God.He agreed with me. So there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus for him.How could there be when we do not personally know any exception?
There are also no exceptions in 2014 to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, he agreed, which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.
Daniele emphasised that a person could be saved in another religion and this would not be through his merits or that of his religion. It would be through Jesus and the Church. He agreed that these cases would be theoretical for us.They are hypothtical. So they would not be defacto exceptions to the traditional interpretation of outside the Church there is no salvation.
For him these cases are not relevant to the dogma which says all need to formally enter the Church ( with faith and baptism-AG 7) for salvation ( to go to Heaven and avoid Hell).
So does every Jew, Muslim and other non Catholic in Rome in 2014 need to formally enter the Church to go to Heaven? He answered "YES". He said Jesus said that we should go out into the world and proclaim the Good News.Evangelising is important.
Danielle Sebastianell had spoken to a small gathering on the 1700 anniversary of King Constantine at the Milvian Bridge.1 At the Milvian Bridge, Rome he spoke about Constantine's victory and the apparition in the sky over the Tiber River. He also mentioned the different ways Catholics (Christians) were tortured and exiled.It was after Oct.28,312 A.D he said, that Catholics were free to live their faith without persecution.
For Daniele Sebastianelli the text of Vatican Council II (AG 7) indicates outside the Church there is no salvation.LG 16,LG 8,NA2,UR 3 are not exceptions to AG 7  since they refer to invisible for us cases.An exception would have to exist in our reality and be different to be an exception.
It may be mentioned that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are not relevant or an exception to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Invisible for us cases cannot be defacto exceptions.The Holy Office 1949 and the Archbishop of Boston, Cardinal Richard Cushing, made an objective mistake.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Vatican Council II supports the formation of a Catholic State should be in the manifesto of Forza Nuova, Militia Christi and other Catholic political parties

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/07/vatican-council-ii-supports-formation.html#links

So if 'the Church' says that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma then where are these people who belong to the soul or body of the Church in 2014? Where are they? What are their names and surnames?

John Salza says that there is a heresy which says one can be a part of the soul of the Church without being formally part of its visible body.Yet John Salza and Cornelia Ferrara seem to make the same error.
 
We know that the  dogma says every one needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation.De facto all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation .
So  how can a person  be joined to the body or soul of the Church in particular cases in 2014 , with the baptism of desire, for it  to be relevant to the dogma on salvation?.
 
How can being saved outside the visible confines of the Church be an exception to the dogma, as taught by the Church Councils, popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney? Yet it is an exception for John Salza and so Vatican Council II is a break with the past.
 
So if 'the Church' says that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma then where are these people who belong to the soul or body of the Church in 2014? Where are they? What are their names and surnames?
 
To imply that the baptism of desire is a known means of salvation is material heresy. The mistake is innocent but it is an irrationality.It would be saying 'I believe in three or more known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin"(Nicene Creed?).
 
Tradition only mentions a baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.It does not say that the baptism of desire  cannot be followed by the  baptism of water.Neither  does it state that the baptism of desire , with or without the baptism of water, are explicit for us.We know they are not explicit for us! The text of Vatican Council II also does not state that these cases are explicit.Neither does the text of Vatican Council II state that they are a  break with Tradition.John Salza innocently infers this. The mistake is with him.
 
He mentions God has given us an intellect. How can we intellectually hold that there are people in Heaven,saved with the baptism of desire etc, who are living and known exceptions, in the present times, to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? How can someone dead be relevant to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney?
Faith and reason are not in agreement here.
There was a mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.The  error has resulted in a wrong interpretation of Vatican Council II by John Salza, Cornelia Ferrara, John Verrani, Louie Verrecchio etc.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
 

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Vatican Council II supports the formation of a Catholic State should be in the manifesto of Forza Nuova, Militia Christi and other Catholic political parties

 

Medugorje Prayer meeting ban prompted by CDF Prefect

http://crownofstars.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/prayer-meeting-ban-prompted-cdf-prefect.html

http://www.spiritdaily.com/

VICKA SHOWS UP AT FIUGGI PRAYER EVENT AND RECEIVES HER DAILY APPARITION OF OUR LADY!

 NOVEMBER 9

CHURCH IN MUCH NEED OF PRAYERS SAYS GOSPA...
Our Lady gave a message to Vicka during the apparition at the prayer gathering today in Palestrina. She said she had many messages to give but asked that we start to live the messages she has already given. Our Lady also asked for hearts to be open and pray for the Church, adding that the Church was in much need of prayers. She ended her message saying “Go in the peace of the Lord,
my dear children.”

VICKA SHOWS UP AT FIUGGI PRAYER EVENT AND RECEIVES HER DAILY APPARITION OF OUR LADY!
Contrary to an earlier statement by Vicka Ivankovic reported by Medjugorje Today, the Medjugorje visionary has today (November 8) made an appearance at a prayer event in Fiuggi prohibited by the local bishop.

A local tv news channel estimated the attendance to be 2,000 people present for the day of prayer and witness, as well as the apparition of Our Lady which Vicka’s still receives daily (pictured below).


Vicka’s appearance at Fiuggi was confirmed Saturday morning by Daniel Miot on his website guardacon.me