Sunday, April 29, 2012

STRANGE HAPPENINGS IN WORCESTER?

The bishop and priests in Worcester reject a dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7) due to alleged exceptions, unknown to them, and then they offer Holy Mass.

Today morning I attended the Traditional Latin Mass in Rome and there were a few families , large families there, parents and many children.It reminded me of the Neo Catechumenal Mass all over the world.

The priest who offered the Mass has said that  the Church teaches, for salvation everyone needs the baptism of water which is given to adults with Catholic Faith.He said practically speaking we do not know any exceptions on earth.He has got his faith and reason in sync.


I think of the Sisters of St.Benedict Center,Worcester,USA who will also attend the Traditional Latin Mass today.They are not as lucky as me.At Mass there the priest from the Diocese of Worcester could be sure that there are known exceptions to the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7).All those sisters in the pews, believe in the literal, ancient interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus just like Fr.Leonard Feeney.They trace their origin to the original St.Benedict Center, when Fr.Leonard Feeney was alive.

They have a priest offering Mass who does not know any exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma, but claims there are.

These sisters are dead-sure that there are no known exceptions to the dogma and the priest and his bishop are sure there are!

The bishop and the priests would expect the sisters to reject the literal interpretation of the dogma and Vatican Council II (AG 7).The bishop and priests believe there are exceptions to the dogma even though these exceptions are unknown to them.The dogma says all non Catholics need to convert into the Church to avoid the fires of Hell and does not mention any explict exception like the baptism of desire etc.

The bishop has given the sisters full canonical status and the good sisters do not want to offend him even though they know there are no known exceptions.

If it is assumed that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for saying, like the sisters, that the baptism of desire etc are not explicit exceptions to the dogma(and he was not!) then the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 of Pope Pius XII made a mistake. The baptism of desire etc are not explicit exceptions. This is an objective fact. We do not know of any such case.

Probably if the priest who offered Holy Mass today is asked by the sisters:

1."Do you know anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire?” he would answer "no".

2."Does it mean that there are no known exceptions in 2012 to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II(AG 7)?” he could answer " I personally don’t know of any".

3." Is there any Magisterial document which states that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus has been retracted? “No", he could answer.

4."Is there any Magisterial text which says that those saved in invincible ignorance are inown to us ?.”He would answer in the negative.

5."Is there is any Magisterial document which says that these cases are explicit exceptions to the dogma and Vatican Council II(AG 7)?” No ,of course.

6."Is not the dogma in agreement with Dominus Iesus 20?” Yes.

7."Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance/good conscience) is not an explicit exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation or Vatican Council II (AG 7) ?" No since we cannot know any of these cases personally.

So?

He could respond: “I would have to ask my bishop before I could affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,just like you.”

I had directly e-mailed the former Vicar General in Worcester and asked him some of these questions but he would not answer.Also as a Catholic clarifying the Faith I asked questions of others in the diocese office but they would not respond. The sisters themself when asked a few basic questions via Youtube would not answer and they erased the questions. Possibly with the approval of their Spiritual Director.

Is the priest not in heresy for denying the dogma and Vatican Council II with alleged exceptions and that too , which are unknown to him ?
Couldn't some lay Catholics in the diocese ask  them some direct questions?
-Lionel Andrades