Saturday, December 3, 2011

IMPEDIMENT FOR THOSE WHO OFFER THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS ?















Institute of Christ the King, Fraternity of St. Peter, Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate and many other Catholic Traditional communities believe there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.There is no Magisterial document which supports them.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 does not say those saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire are exceptions to the dogma. Nether does Vatican Council II or the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

All or most of these priests in Traditional religious communities approved by the Vatican consider those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

They are implying that the centuries interpretation of a defined dogma can be changed.

Since they personally assume that there are defacto exceptions to the dogma they imply that the baptism of desire is visible and known to us. This is an untruth. For centuries it was known that the baptism of desire was implicit and did not contradict the dogma. The traditionalist priests hold this belief in innocence.

Since they believe that those saved in invincible ignorance are defacto exceptions to the dogma they assume that we know these cases on earth. Only if these exceptional cases were visible to us they could be exceptions to the dogma, which says everyone needs to be a visible, explicit member of the Catholic Church for salvation.

They presume Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy when the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 says it was for disobedience. This is calumny.

Since they assert that Fr. Leonard Feeney was in error for saying there was no defacto known baptism of desire they criticize the  popes and saints for saying the same thing. It is a criticism of the Ordinary and Extraordinary Magisterium of the popes over centuries.

They may hold these beliefs in innocence but if they do so after being informed its heresy. It’s a first-class heresy since its contradicts the Nicene Creed in which we pray, “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin”.

This is an impediment to them offering the Traditional Latin Mass.

To knowingly hold these errors would be teaching falsehood to the Congergations who attend the Latin Mass.

-Lionel Andrades

IS THE SSPX MASS VALID? YES, BUT THE PRIEST COULD BE IN MORTAL SIN FOR REJECTING A DEFINED DOGMA WITH HIS ‘EXCEPTIONS’

NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED ?

SSPX ,CATHOLIC TRADITIONALISTS ARE ANATHEMA ACCORDING TO THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England

NO TRIDENTINE RITE MASS WITHOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA BUT A BOOK SOLD BY THE SSPX SAYS THEY ARE

FR.FRANCOIS LAISNEY OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X SAYS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS HAS EXCEPTIONS. THIS IS HERESY

PRIESTS WHO OFFER TRIDENTINE-RITE AND NOVUS ORDO MASS AGREE THAT WE DO NOT DEFACTO KNOW A SINGLE CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE: WE HAVE UNITY ON OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION

FR.FRANCOIS LAISNEY OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X SAYS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS HAS EXCEPTIONS. THIS IS HERESY

SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X CAUSING CONFUSION ON ECUMENISM

INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA BUT A BOOK SOLD BY THE SSPX SAYS THEY ARE

FR. PETER SCOTT, SSPX NEED TO ISSUE A CLARIFICATION: HOW CAN THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA?

ASSISI INTERFAITH MEETING OCT.27: OLD PROBLEM AMONG TRADITIONALISTS SURFACE

SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS DE FACTO KNOWN TO US : DISCERNING LIBERALS MUST BE LAUGHING UP THEIR SLEEVE

SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS THIS IS HERESY

SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTENTION TO HERESY AT ASSISI

Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus

CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY INDICATES POPES, SAINTS IN HERESY

Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma

Vatican website for clergy promotes 'theology of religions', Kung and Knitter : claims Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for the same interpretation of the dogma as the popes and saints

CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF

Photo of Pontifical High Mass with Cardinal Burke December 28,2010 FI News Latin Mass, AirMaria.