Tuesday, December 18, 2012

JIM FAIR COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR OF THE LEGION OF CHRIST DOES NOT ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS

The Legionaries of Christ spokesman says they accept completely what is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church but he does not mention which of the two interpretations.

I sent Jim Fair a blog post and asked for the Legionaries of Christ position on this issue.

Dear Jim Fair,
Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.
Please let me know the Legionaries of Christ position on this issue:

YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
He responded.
Dear Mr. Andrades, As I’m sure you know, this is a topic that generates a good deal of debate. In the case of the Legion, we accept completely what is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. God Bless….
I responded.
We both accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church and in the last post I sent you it was mentioned that there were two interpretations of the Catechism. I wanted to know which one was acceptable to the Legion of Christ.

If you could respond to these two questions it would be clear to me which interpretation is accepted by the Legion of Christ.

1. In the year 2012 do we know anyone saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, a good conscience, seeds of the word , imperfect communion with the Church etc ?

2. Can these cases be considered exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors ?.
He has responded without answering the two questions or mentioning that there were two interpretations of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. 
Mr. Andrades, We uphold the perennial teaching of the Church’s Magisterium, just as it is expressed in the Catechism. Another way to understand it is to say that everyone in Heaven is a member of the Catholic Church, the Mystical Body of Christ. But does that mean that they were all baptized members of the visible Catholic Church on earth? Not necessarily… But HOW that works is hard for us to understand, and theologians argue about it a lot… Anyway, we uphold the teaching of the Church’s Magisterium in this and all controversial theological questions. God Bless….Jim
        Jim Fair  Communications Director Legion of Christ 312.953.9864 

-Lionel Andrades

FROM ROBERTO DE MATTEI TO THE THEOLOGY DEPTT. OF THE UNIVERSITY PONTIFICIAL REGINA APOSTOLORUM ROME - A FALSE PREMISE IS USED IN THE INTERPRETATION OF VATICAN COUNCIL II

Roberto de Mattei interprets Vatican Council II as a break with the past.Traditionalists and liberals agree with him.

So what's so special?

Mattei is a professor at the Legionaries of Christ's European University in Rome and has still to write a book on how a false premise used in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, has resulted in the modernist version which he criticizes.

Even the professors in the Theology Department of the University Pontifical Regina Apostolorum(UPRA), also of the Legionaries of Christ,use the false premise in the interpretation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II.

How can you use a false premise and then talk about Truth, Faith and the Gospel?

My former Spiritual Director Fr.Michael Ryan L.C, a professor of philosophy, also has classes in the theology section of UPRA. Fr. Paolo Scarofoni, L.C., former Rector of UPRA also is on the theology faculty. Fr.Scarafoni presented his thesis at the Gregorian University,Rome on a subject related to other religions.

Some 10 years back when I corrected these professors they complained to my bishop.I am still unwelcome there.

Fr.Thomas Williams L.C is not more there. He was the Dean of Theology.
Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum - Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum

Fr.Paul Haffner was a professor there at that time. He would vaguely criticize a general attitude towards other religions.He now teaches at the Gregorian University. I asked him to respond to the two questions but have received no answer.

Similarly at the Pontifical International Maria Mater Ecclesia seminary in Rome, of the Legionaries of Christ, the false premise was being used by the faculty and seminarians.This includes priests who are still there.
The professors e-mails are available on the internet. Could someone ask them the two questions for me ? (1)

The two questions are:

1.Do we know any case in 2012 of someone saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience, the baptism of desire, imperfect communion with the church, seeds of the word, elements of sanctification etc ?

2.Are these cases exceptions the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ?
-Lionel Andrades



YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/year-of-faith-vatican-council-ii-and.html#links

MEDIA: MEDUGORJE COMMISSION HAS FINAL MEETING IN ROME

cardinal josip bozanic zagreb croatia hrvatska vatican commission medjugorje last final session december 2012
MEDIA: MEDUGORJE  COMMISSION HAS FINAL MEETING IN ROME
http://www.medjugorjetoday.tv/8306/media-final-commission-session-is-now/



THERE CAN BE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND CARDINALS WHO USE THE IRRATIONAL ONE ARE TO JUDGE MEDUGORJE
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SEER AT FAMOUS SITE SAID CHURCH FACES MAJOR 'ORDEAL' ALONG WITH WORLD AS WE REFLECT ON PROPHECY, MASSACRE










SEER AT FAMOUS SITE SAID CHURCH FACES MAJOR 'ORDEAL' ALONG WITH WORLD AS WE REFLECT ON PROPHECY, MASSACRE
http://www.spiritdaily.com/Ivanordeal.htm
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SSPX LETS ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) let Archbishop Muller go unanswered when he referred to those who interpret Vatican Council II as a break from Tradition as being heretical.(1)

Archbishop Mueller
The Archbishop's position on Lumen Gentium 14 is heretical. The SSPX could have picked up the issue from here.Instead it has responded with more analysis on its U.S website.

Archbishop Gerhard Muller interpreted Lumen Gentium 14 as contradicting the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is a rupture with Tradition.It is 'a rupture' with the Syllabus of Errors. It is a break with the past. This is not the hermeneutic of continuity.

In the interview with the National Catholic Register (Oct.2,2012)  the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith interpreted Lumen Gentium 14 (LG 14) as a break from tradition.He also used an irrationality.The CDF, Prefect may not have known also, that he was expressing heresy in public.
-Lionel Andrades

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'...whose highest expression is the Council presided over by the Successor of St. Peter as Head of the visible Church. Outside this sole orthodox interpretation unfortunately exists a heretical interpretation, that is, a hermeneutic of rupture (found) both on the progressive front and on the traditionalist one. Both agree on refusing the Council… the traditionalists in their not wanting to get there, as if it was the winter of Catholicity-Archbishop Gerhard Muller, from the SSPX N.America website, Is the SSPX heretical?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/is-sspx-heretical_15.html#links
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ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER CHOOSES A HERETICAL INTERPRETATION OF LUMEN GENTIUM 14 WHICH IS A BREAK FROM TRADITION

LUMEN GENTIUM 14: FUTILE DISCUSSION ON CATHOLIC ANSWERS

Ralph Martin assumes that we can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience

BISHOP'S APOLOGETIC PAMPHLET SAYS CHURCH IS NECESSARY AND CHURCH IS ALSO NOT NECESSARY.HE KNOWS WHEN IT IS NOT NECESSARY. THE CASES ARE VISIBLE TO HIM.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/11/bishops-apologetic-pamphlet-says-church.html#links

THE SSPX HAS TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A CONTINUITY WITH TRADITION AND WHAT ABOUT CARDINAL CAMILIO RUINI?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/the-sspx-has-to-accept-vatican-council.html#links

Archbishop Gerhard Muller's reference to heretical interpretations of Vatican Council II also refers to Bishop Robert W. Finn and Raymond Boland of Kansas City,USA
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-gerhard-mullers-reference-to.html#links

Paulist Fathers in Rome meet Archbishop Gerhard Muller's standard of an heretical interpretation of Vatican Council II
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/paulist-fathers-in-rome-meet-archbishop.html#links

SSPX,TRADITIONALISTS ON YOUTUBE CONFIRM ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER'S ANALYSIS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/sspxtraditionalists-on-youtube-confirm.html#links

Archbishop Gerhard Muller,Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican has got it right!
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/12/archbishop-gerhard-mullerprefect-of.html#links
YEAR OF THE FAITH : VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AFFIRMS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS