Thursday, February 4, 2016

Bishop Schneider like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and SSPX bishops and priests confuses what is invisible as being visible.Card. Gerhard Muller and Pope Francis do the same.So Vatican Council II becomes a break with the past

Expressions like "development of doctrine" and "pastoral compassion" are in fact usually a pretext to change the teaching of Christ, and against its perennial sense and integrity, as the Apostles had transmitted it to the whole Church, and it was faithfully preserved through the Fathers of the Church, the dogmatic teachings of the Ecumenical Councils and of the Popes. -Bishop Athanasius Schneider

Here is 'the development of doctrine' from the Baltimore Catechism to Vatican Council II. It was effected with an irrational premise and inference.
 
BALTIMORE CATECHISM
Q. 653. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?
A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water.
(Lionel: So where are these cases ? What are their names?
They assume these persons are known. Invisible cases are assumed to be visible.)
Q.654.How do we know that the baptism of desire or of blood will save us when it is impossible to receive the baptism of water?
A. We know that baptism of desire or blood will save us when it is impossible to receive the baptism of water, from Holy Scripture which teaches that love of God and perfect contrition can secure the remission of sins; and also that Our Lord promises salvation to those who lay down their life for HIs sake or for his teaching.
(Lionel: Then it is assumed that these invisible cases are visible exceptions to all needing to receive the baptism of water in the Catholic Church. First there was a wrong premise ( known cases of persons saved without the baptism of water) and then there is a wrong inference ( these unknown cases, are known and so they are exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation,they are exceptions to all needing to be formal members of the Catholic Church. They are exceptions to the old ecclesiology.)
 
Then the error was placed in Letter of the Holy Office 1949.
 
Lionel : WHO KNOWING?': WHY MENTION THIS ? WE DON'T KNOW WHO KNOWS OR DOES NOT KNOW. ONLY GOD CAN KNOW THIS.
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel : WHAT HAS THIS THEOLOGY TO DO WITH EENS? THERE ARE NO SUCH KNOWN CASES.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
 

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 : from meaningless non applicable theology to heresy

THE DOGMA : EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949
MEANINGLESS, NON APPLICABLE THEOLOGY
Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel :THEOLOGY OF NON EXISTENT, UNKNOWN CASES: WHY IS THIS THEOLOGY MENTIONED WITH REFERENCE TO EENS ? WHY IS IT PLACED HERE ?
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects, necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel : THE RESULT : HERESY. MAGISTERIAL HERESY.
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.- Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Lionel :WHY NOT 'ALWAYS REQUIRED'? WHERE ARE THE KNOWN EXCEPTIONS?
Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel : O.K BUT WHAT HAS THIS TO DO WITH THE DOGMA. THEORETICAL, HYPOTHETICAL CASES? WHY MENTION THIS THEOLOGY?
However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.-
Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel :SUPERFLOUS THEOLOGY. WE DON'T KNOW ANY SUCH CASE IN REAL LIFE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DOGMA.
These things are clearly taught in that dogmatic letter which was issued by the Sovereign Pontiff, Pope Pius XII, on June 29, 1943, (AAS, Vol. 35, an. 1943, p. 193 ff.). For in this letter the Sovereign Pontiff clearly distinguishes between those who are actually incorporated into the Church as members, and those who are united to the Church only by desire.-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
Lionel :AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE IN PERSONAL CASES.
Toward the end of this same encyclical letter, when most affectionately inviting to unity those who do not belong to the body of the Catholic Church, he mentions those who "are related to the Mystical Body of the Redeemer by a certain unconscious yearning and desire," and these he by no means excludes from eternal salvation, but on the other hand states that they are in a condition "in which they cannot be sure of their salvation" since "they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church" (AAS, 1. c., p. 243).-Letter of the Holy Office 1949

Lionel :WHETHER THEY ARE EXCLUDED OR NOT WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE THEY ARE NOT OBJECTIVE CASES.
With these wise words he reproves both those who exclude from eternal salvation all united to the Church only by implicit desire...-Letter of the Holy Office 1949
 
Then there being known cases is mentioned in Vatican Council II
 
7. This missionary activity derives its reason from the will of God, "who wishes all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, Himself a man, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself as a ransom for all" (1 Tim. 2:45), "neither is there salvation in any other" (Acts 4:12). Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II
Lionel :So in 'the development of doctrine' (on salvation, exclusivist ecclesiology, the subject of other religions and ecumenism) Vatican Council II is a break with the past. It is break with Tradition. It mentions known exceptions to the dogma extra eclesiam nulla salus
It is a development of doctrine for Bishop Athansius Schneider, the traditionalists, liberals and the magisterium but - not for me!
Since I am aware of the original mistake I avoid it.
I say, when asked, that the baptism of desire and blood refer to hypothetical cases. They are invisible for us human beings.Being invisible and unknown they cannot be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the old ecclesiology.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 made a factual mistake.
Now when I read Vatican Council II I know that being saved in invincible ignorance refers to a hypothetical case in 2016. It does not contradict the orthodox passage in Ad Gentes 7 (see above) which says 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation. Neither does it contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as intepreted by St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Ignatius of Loyola and Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center.Since 'zero cases', as John Martignoni the apologist says, cannot be exceptions.
So there is no change in ecclesiology in Vatican Council II for me, as long as I do not mix up what is invisible for being visible.
Bishop Schneider like Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and dthe SSPX bishops and priests, confuses what is invisible as being visible.Cardinal Gerhard Muller and Pope Francis also do the same.So  Vatican Council II becomes  a break with the past.
But not for me!
-Lionel Andrades
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Bishop Schneider expediently does not comment on the error in the Baltimore Catechism and its link to Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/bishop-schneider-expediently-does-not.html

The Download—Catholic Journalism is For Telling the Truths of The Faith ( So tell it! ) http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/the-downloadcatholic-journalism-is-for.html



Pope Francis' joint ecumenical commemoration of the Reformation is possible theologically for Catholics since the Baltimore Catechism infers there is known salvation outside the Church, a person can be saved without the baptism of water
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Pope Francis will travel to the Swedish city of Lund on October 31st for a joint commemoration of the Reformation with leaders of the Lutheran World Federation - ANSA
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/pope-francis-joint-ecumenical.html

The Baltimore Catechism error is not just a theoretical oversight it had practical consequences, penalites were placed on Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center. There was an excommunication.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/02/the-baltimore-catechism-error-is-not.html