Wednesday, January 18, 2023

The antidote for the problems with the Church is Vatican Council II (rational)

 

The antidote for the problems in the Church is Vatican Council II (rational).

1.Pope Francis says the liberalism of the Abu Dhabi Declaration is based upon Vatican Council II. He means Vatican Council II, irrational. It has exceptions for Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

He has to be shown how Vatican Council II can be interpreted rationally.

2. Cardinal Walter Kasper said that if Vatican Council II could change the ecclesiology of the Church then why cannot the Eucharist be given to the divorced and remarried. He was referring to Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally. Bishop Bernard Fellay did not correct him on this point when he criticized Amoris Laetitia. Since Fellay and the SSPX also interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. This was the public mistake of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

3. The International Theological Commission (ITC), Vatican, published Christianity and the World Religions (1996) and The Hope of Salvation for Infants who die without being Baptized (2007). It was approved by Cardinal Luis Ladaria sj. It  approved the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office of Pope Pius XII (LOHO).The 1949 LOHO interpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance irrationally. So today LG 14 (baptism of desire) and LG 16(saved in invincible ignorance) are seen as visible examples of salvation outside the Church. Known people in the present times saved without faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, LG 14).

Cardinal Ladaria has to be shown that LG 14 and LG 16 always refer to hypothetical cases. So they are not objective exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. Vatican Council II in Ad Gentes 7 (all need faith and baptism for salvation) supports the Jesuit missionaries in the Middle Ages, while LG 8, 14, 16, UR 3, GS 22, and NA 2 etc are not exceptions.

This was a major error of the Council Fathers and Pope Paul VI.The LOHO should not have been placed in the Denzinger and referenced in Vatican Council II (LG 16).

4. The Lutheran-Vatican Joint Statement on Justification, the theological papers on the Jews and the Balamand Declaration were based upon Vatican Council II (irrational).  So they are null and void.There was no denial all these years from the CDF and Pope Benedict.

It was through the New Theology that a doctrinal crisis was created in the Catholic Church. The Americanists used a Fake Premise in the 1949 LOHO  to say outside the Church there is known salvation. So it was the end of the dogma EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors. For Pope Benedict these Magisterial Documents had become obsolete with Vatican Council II. He means Vatican Council II, irrational.He was always referring to Vatican Council II, irrational.-Lionel Andrades

 

 

a Committee was formed comprised by Most Rev. Ignazio Sanna, Most Rev. Basil Kyu-Man Cho, Rev. Peter Damien Akpunonu, Rev. Adelbert Denaux, Rev. Gilles Emery, OP, Msgr. Ricardo Ferrara, Msgr. István Ivancsó, Msgr. Paul McPartlan, Rev. Dominic Veliath, SDB (President of the Committee), and Sr. Sarah Butler, MSTB. The Committee also received the collaboration of Rev. Luis Ladaria, SJ, the Secretary General of the International Theological Commission, and Msgr. Guido Pozzo, the Assistant to the ITC, as well as other members of the Commission.

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html

 

The study of the theme "Christianity and the World Religions" was adopted for study by a large majority of the members of the International Theological Commission. To prepare this study a subcommission was established composed of Bishop Norbert Strotmann Hoppe, M.S.C.; Rev. Barthelemy Adoukonou; Rev. Jean Corbon; Rev. Mario de Franca Miranda, S.J.; Rev. Ivan Golub; Rev. Tadahiko Iwashima, S.J.; Rev. Luis F. Ladaria, S.J. (president); Rev. Hermann J. Pottmeyer; and Rev. Andrzej Szostek, M.I.C. General discussion on this theme took place during several meetings of the subcommission and in the plenary sessions of the International Theological Commission held at Rome in 1993, 1994 and 1995. The present text was approved "in forma specifica" by vote of the commission on 30 September 1996 and was submitted to its president, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who has given his approval for its publication.

https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_cti_1997_cristianesimo-religioni_en.html

Why do we continue to have reports critical of Vatican Council II?

 

Why do we continue to have reports critical of Vatican Council II? We simply interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc as being hypothetical and speculative and the Council emerge traditional and ecclesiocentric.

Why must we speak of Ratzinger’s contribution at Vatican Council II when with the Rational Premise ( LG 16 refers to an invisible person in 1965-2023), Rational Inference ( invisible cases of LG 16 do not contradict Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus) and Traditional Conclusion ( Vatican Council II is in harmony and not a break with the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition). This is the end of the liberal theology of Pope Benedict.

The leftist system, within and outside the Catholic Church, want us to believe that the Council is a break with Tradition. We cannot depend upon the popes, the CDF and the Vatican. They do not tell us the truth. They are not Magisterial when they choose an irrational and not rational premise. They oppose the Holy Spirit for political reasons.

The French Government for example, through schools and colleges is projecting Vatican Council II as a break with Tradition. Also all the religious communities in France, liberal and traditionalists are doing the same.

When the French media refer to traditionalists. These are Catholic religious communities and lay people, who reject Vatican Council II (irrational), as all Catholics should, and they go back to Tradition. But they do not know about Vatican Council II interpreted rationally.It does not contain any exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).-Lionel Andrades


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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The group could contact the Italian Ministry for External Affairs

 

The media in Germany and the leftist Vatican continue to gloss over Pope Benedict being a theologian. No one mentions the deadly Ratzinger Premise, which overturned traditional Catholic teachings for political reasons.

A lay group of Ratzingerian and Lefebvrists who use the fatal Ratzinger Premise, to destroy the Old Theology, met in Rome and appealed to the College of Cardinals to elect a new pope. That pope will probably use the same False Premise to put aside the pre-1949 Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

The entire College of Cardinals today is interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally. It is over 10 years and no one has contradicted me on this point.

Brother Alex Bugnolo has to appeal to the College of Cardinals to interpret Vatican Council II rationally. Now they are dishonest and so are the people protesting in Rome.

This group themselves need to give up their Ratzinger and Lefebvrist carry over and interpret Vatican Council II rationally. They need to announce that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to only hypothetical cases. They are invisible people in 2023.

This is all they have to do. This is enough. The inferences and conclusions will take the Catholic Church back to the Old Theology, the old exclusivist ecclesiology, and there will not be any other rational and honest option.

So the next pope will have to be a traditionalist and so also the cardinals and bishops.

The group could contact the Italian Ministry for External Affairs. Tell them to announce that all Catholics can only interpret Vatican Council II rationally. So there will only be traditionalists. Ask them to inform the Vatican.The Vatican must correct its mistake.

The solution for the problems in the Church is Vatican Council II (rational). The crisis in the Church is caused by Vatican Council II (irrational).

This group could contact the Armed Forces, the carabinieri and police and confirm that LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical and speculative cases in 2023. So there are no objective examples of salvation outside the Church. There are no practical exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II for the Athanasius Creed and Syllabus of Errors ( ecumenism of return etc). We are back to Tradition. The mainline Church returns to Tradition. Rome will have come back to the Faith, as Arbisbhop Marcel Lefebvre wanted. - Lionel Andrades


https://www.fromrome.info/2023/01/16/let-us-pray-for-the-successor-of-pope-benedict-xvi-who-is-about-to-be-elected/

https://www.fromrome.info/2023/01/17/il-solenne-avvertimento-al-collegio-cardinalizio/


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JANUARY 15, 2023

Catholics in the police, carabinieri and Ministry of Interior in Italy affirm Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church just like me- just like the Augustinian Recollect priests in Rome

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/01/catholics-in-police-carabinieri-and.html



FEBRUARY 5, 2020

FALSE PREMISE, INFERENCE AND CONCLUSION (GRAPHICS)










-Lionel Andrades
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NOVEMBER 2, 2016

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism. When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.


IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2016.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2016.There is no personally known case.
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IRRATIONAL PREMISE
The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.
RATIONAL PREMISE
The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.
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When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.
When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.
-Lionel Andrades

https://gloria.tv/video/KGTNnspuhZyG6uMAzDyAv4vvJ

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/01/repost-when-irrational-premise-is-used.html

SUNDAY, AUGUST 22, 2021

The mainstream Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church

 

The mainstream  Church is liberal today because of the fake premise. Let them use a rational premise and the liberalism falls off from the whole Church.






Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference

They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion

Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise

LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference

They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.


Rational Conclusion

Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.

The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine 

of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-

IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that invisible things or persons are visible.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively visible in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that hypothetical cases are objectively invisible in 2021.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to personally known cases in 2021.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown cases in 2021.There is no personally known case.

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IRRATIONAL PREMISE

The irrational premise is assuming there are objectively seen and known cases of being saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water in 2016.

RATIONAL PREMISE

The rational premise is assuming others (in general) cannot see invisible cases in the present and the past.It is assuming that the baptism of desire refers to an unknown and invisible case in the present or past.

When an irrational premise is used I refer to it as Cushingism.

When there is a rational premise, I refer to it as Feeneyism.Lionel Andrades










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MAY 5, 2022

If Pope Francis interprets Vatican Council II with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition and the Catholic Church becomes Traditional

 If Pope Francis pinterprets Vc2 with the Rational Premise then the Council becomes Traditional and he supports Tradition, and the Church becomes Traditional.- Lionel Andrades 

WE HAVE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF 

VATICAN COUNCIL II : YOURS AND MINE


Lionel Andrades

Catholic lay man in Rome. Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, nontraditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents.

Blog: Eucharist and Mission (eucharistandmission)

E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

Twitter : @LionelAndrades1

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