Tuesday, November 1, 2011

Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark implies the 'seeds of the Word' in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation and these exceptions are explicitly known

The Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales webite rejects the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) and Dominus Iesus.The English bishops are changing the Catholic Church’s teaching on Faith just as they have done so on morals.
According to Archbishop Emeritus Kevin McDonald of Southwark who is the Chair of the Committe for Relations with Other Religions the ‘seeds of the Word’ are present in other religions implying that we know of particular cases so every non Catholic with no exception does not have to enter the Church for salvation. This is the rejection of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7).

The report placed by the Committee for Relations with Other Religions contradicts Daphne McLeod, Chairman of Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice,England. Her message is that the possible exceptions in Vatican Council II are not exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.(1).

Vatican Council II does not oppose the centuries-old interpretation of the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.The  possibility of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance,the baptism of desire, or the ‘seeds of the Word’ as the Bishops state here, does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which tells us that every one needs to convert into the Church for salvation. It is understood that these cases, saved by the 'seeds of the Word' are known only to God.

Non Catholic religions are not paths to salvation and their members need to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. This is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II. This is the important point omitted by the Catholic Bishops Conference.Daphne McLeod is affirming the dogma which Pope Pius XII called ‘the infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949).

This was the interpretation of the Church Fathers, it was defined at three Church Councils, repeated in the ordinary magisterium of the popes, taught by numerous saints and included in Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7).

The website says ‘As Catholics we believe that Christ lived,died and rose from the dead for all people and that God’s plan of love embraces the whole of creation.’ This is a contradiction of Dominus Iesus 20 which says Jesus died for all, however to receive this salvation all need to enter the Church.

The website says ‘We can joyfully accept ,as was recognized by the Fathers of the Church, that other religions contain elements of truth that we find in Christ.’ Dominus Iesus mentions that other religions also contain ‘errors, deficiences and superstition’, which we cannot attribute to Christ or the Holy Sprit.

Also the Church Fathers no where said that non Catholic religions are the ordinary means of salvation. The ordinary means of salvation is the Catholic Church (Redemptoris Missio 55). Vatican Council II indicates that the ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (LG 14, AG 7).It is not 'the seeds of the Word'.

The English bishops are denying an ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 which Venerable Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible teaching’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). They are also rejecting Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7) and assuming that the hypothetical exceptions that we accept in principle, are defacto known to us and so contradict a traditional teaching of the Church. They are also implying that the ‘seeds of the Word’ found in other religions is the ordinary means of salvation.

The English bishops are changing the Catholic Church’s teaching on Faith just as they have done so on morals.(2).

Pope John Paul II’s encyclical on morals, Veritatis Splendor, says that an intrinsically evil act is always a mortal sin, even if one suggests that the person is not aware of the sin. Veritatis Splendor is clear that there is no 'invincible doubt'. Also rationally we know that we cannot judge who has an 'invincible doubt'.Veritatis Splendor says that the exterior action indicates the interior intention.It calls mortal sin a mortal sin. 
The bishops are now suggesting that we know who is saved with  the ‘seeds of the Word’. A possible exception known only to God is made the general rule.-Lionel Andrades

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As Catholics we believe that Christ lived, died and rose from the dead for all people and thatGod’s plan of love embraces the whole of creation. We can joyfully accept ,as was recognized by the Fathers of the Church,that other religions contain elements of truth that we find in Christ.The Fathers of the Church called these elements “seeds of the Word”.The Vatican Council II attributed the positive values present in other religious traditons to the actibe presence of God through through his Word,pointing also to the universal action of the Spirit “at work in the world before Christ was glorified”.(Ad Gentes n.4).-Catholics and Other Faiths report on the website of the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales.
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14. Homosexuals have the same need for the Sacraments as the heterosexual. They also have the same right to receive the Sacraments. In determining whether or not to administer Absolution or give Communion to a homosexual, a pastor must be guided by the general principles of fundamental theology, that only a certain moral obligation may be imposed. An invincible doubt, whether of law or fact, permits one to follow a true and solidly ‘probable opinion’ in favour of a more liberal interpretation. - According to the Archdiocese of Westminister Soho Mass Pastoral Council announcement on the Internet


SOHO MASS - CONTRADICTS CATECHISM AND VERITATIS SPLENDOR

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2009/10/soho-mass-two-different-moral-and.html#links

NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html