Hell has fire and most people go there without faith and the baptism of water. The denial of Jesus as God is a mortal sin and leads to Hell. The Gospel Reading at Holy Mass yesterday said that those who deny Jesus, will also be denied by Him, before the Father in Heaven. Choosing to die without Catholic faith and the baptism of water is a mortal sin which leads to Hell. God the Father wants all to be united in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is like the Ark of Noah which saves in the flood ( CCC 845).Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation (CCC 846,AG 7 etc).
. To knowingly use a False Premise to
reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and other Magisterial Documents
(Athanasius Creed etc) is heresy and schism. These are mortal sins of faith.
To divorce and remarry is still a mortal sin of morals which leads to Hell and so are fornication and adultery. Immodesty in clothes is a mortal sin which leads others to commit sins of impurity and go to Hell as are LGBT mortal sins of impurity. In the New Testament Jesus mentions Hell many times and cautions us.
In the Old Testament the prophet Isaiah asks ‘who amongst us can stand a devouring fire for all time?’
The Medugorje visionaries, who are still
alive, were shown Hell. Sister Lucia at Fatima was shown Hell. St. Faustina
Kowalska was shown Hell and she observed that most of the people there are
those who did not believe that Hell existed.
The beautiful Te Deum prayer concludes, saying, ‘Lord let me not be confused for all eternity’.
Even popes can go to Hell. Dante saw important people in Hell. His list is famous.
These are the general conditions for going to Hell taught by the Catholic Church when Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms and the past Magisterium ( for example on the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance ) are interpreted rationally. When they are interpreted with the Rational Premise, the Church returns to ‘the old theology’ and the new theology,based on the False Premise, is made obsolete.
For God so loved the
world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may
not perish, but may have life everlasting.- John 3:16
With the False Premise Vatican Council II is interpreted irrationally and false exceptions are created for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Church.
Without the exceptions we return to the
old theology and so also the old faith and morals of the Catholic Church.
He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil. - John 3 : 18-19 Douay-Rheims Bible
Catholic faith and the baptism of water
is the norm for salvation but God can make exceptions. God is not limited to
the Sacraments, theoretically, but the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II tell us
that practically, God chooses to limit salvation to the Catholic Sacraments. -Lionel Andrades
For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. – Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
FEBRUARY 14, 2022
Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation is the official teaching of the Catholic Church when Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church are interpreted rationally, with the Rational Premise
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
- Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. - Lumen Gentium 14,Vatican Council II, cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5.
- (Note :The passage in red does not contradict the passage in blue since being saved in invincible ignorance refers to a hypothetical and speculative case only. It is not a practical exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors etc.)
- http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
- Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.( Note : Those who are in invincible ignorance ; who do not know God and are saved are hypothetical and speculative cases only. They are not practical exceptions to the strict interpretation of EENS)
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."(Note : Though God could lead someone who is ignorant of the Gospel to that faith which pleases and these people would be known only to God. We cannot see or meet someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desrie .So being saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire must not be projected as being practical exceptions for the past ecclesiocentrism of the Catholic Church.It would be a False Premise. What is invisible is neing projected as being a visible person, an objective case.)
When the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 is interpreted with the red passage being an exception to the blue, a False Premise is being used.
When the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 is interpreted with the red passage not being an exception to the blue, then a Rational Premise is being used.
If for you LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to exceptions for the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus then you are saying that LG 8 etc refer to visible and known non Catholics saved outside the Catholic Church.
If for me they are not exceptions for the past exclusivist ecclesiology, then I am saying that they refer to invisible cases only in 1965-2022. They are implicit and subjective.
So for you they are explicit and for me implicit and so our conclusions are non traditional (for you) and traditional (for me).
So we can interpret Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the Rational or False Premise and our conclusion will be different. There will be a continuity or rupture with Tradition (Catechism of Pope Pius X (24 Q, 27Q), Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius X ( an ecumenism of return to the Church ) etc.
This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church according to the texts of the Council and the Catechism and the past Magisterium, interpreted rationally.
-Lionel Andrades
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