Saturday, February 2, 2013

CANON LAWYER COULD ASK JOAN LEWIS AND EWTN IF THE DEAD ARE VISIBLE TO THEM


On Jan.22,2013 I sent the Diocese of Calgary a post from this blog.(1)The bishop of Calgary responded by citing passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2).Bishop Frederick Henry, the bishop of Calgary implied that these citations from the Catechism were exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I wrote back saying that there could not be exceptions since we do not know anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire in 2013 (3).If these cases were physically visible then it could be said that everyone does not have to convert into the Church in 2013 and there are  known exceptions.So the passages in the Catechism which he cited were not exceptions to the dogma.


Now he did not have any reason to say that he was rejecting the dogma but yet he would not affirm it.

Similarly John Lewis, Eternal Word Television Network's Bureau Chief in Rome and who has a column on EWTN, Joans Rome, once sent me many passages from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. She was implying that there were explicit exceptions to the dogma and so every one did not have to be a visible members of the Church for salvation.

Joan Lewis is a Eucharistic Minister and Lector at the Church of Santa Susanna , the American Church in Rome.She is one of the Religious Education teachers at the Church of Santa Suzanna, along with John Allen of the National Catholic Reporter. Fr.Robert Christian OP of the Angelicum University,Rome who denies the dogma on salvation is also a religion teacher at Santa Suzzana.(4)

She will also give the Eucharist at Mass to John Allen.

Could a Canon Lawyer ask if EWTN and Joan Lewis are really  Catholic ? Since Joan Lewis' error is also repeated by others on EWTN e.g Patrick Madrid, Peter Vere etc.

1.Is Joan Lewis and EWTN saying they can see the dead walking on the street, these cases are visible to them?


2.How can invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire be an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney?


3.Are not Joan Lewis and EWTN rejecting an ex cathedra dogma on salvation?


4.Are they not also rejecting the dogma on the infallibility of the pope ex catehdra?


5.Why does EWTN not take up the case of the bishop of Calgary who will not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?


6.How can the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) offer Holy Mass in Calgary,Canada, and elsewhere, and not affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?


7.The present Rector of the Chuch of Santa Susana has in public, in a homily, denied the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Can he still be allowed to offer Holy Mass in English?


8.Joan Lewis will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus and she can still be a Eucharistic Minister and  teach religion?


9.Why must they be allowed to make the error of the Archbishop of Boston, Richard Cushing and assume that the dead saved are visible to us?


10. Is all this permitted by Canon Law?
-Lionel Andrades

1.
Tuesday, January 22, 2013
CALGARY BISHOP DECLARES SSPX AS 'NOT CATHOLICS'
I have been in communication with the Inter Religious Dialogue and Ecumenism representative in the diocese of Calgary,Canada.There is a new Director now.

She said that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


How can they be exceptions when we do not know a single such case in 2013.
She is rejecting the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus with alleged exceptions and of course the diocese of Calgary would consider itself Catholic!

According to Ad Gentes 7 all need faith and baptism for salvation.Protestants with whom there are ecumenical meetings in Alberta, Canada do not have Catholic Faith!

For her Vatican Council II (LG 16 on invincible ignorance ) would be a break with Tradition. A break with the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus of Errors. The Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has said that those who interpret the Council as a break with the past are heretical.This would also apply to the bishop of Calgary,Bishop Frederick Henry ?


Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation and the Diocese of Calgary policy on this issue is :No some do not. They are known to us with the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc.
-Lionel Andrades



2.


Dear Lionel


You might find it helpful to re-read the church's teaching as explained in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I have attached several of the important texts.
Peace, Bishop Henry


845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church.


The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334 (30, 953, 1219)


"Outside the Church there is no salvation"


846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: (161, 1257)

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336


847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation.337


848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 (1260)




VI. The Necessity of Baptism


1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.(1129, 161, 846)


1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament. (2473)


1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.(1249)


1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity. (848)


1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. (1257, 1250)

3.
Dear Bishop F.B Henry,


Praised be Jesus and Our Lady.


The quotations you have cited do not contradict the literal intrerpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nor Ad Gentes 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation.

845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church.


The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334 (30, 953, 1219)


"Outside the Church there is no salvation"


846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: (161, 1257)


(Note : it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body. This does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus since we do not know these cases personally .If they were known personally then we could assume that they are exceptions)

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336


847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:


(There can be non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and these cases would be known only to God.So we cannot suggest that these cases are exceptions to every one needing to convert into the Church in 2013 for salvation).


Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation.337


848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 (1260)


VI. The Necessity of Baptism


1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.(1129, 161, 846)


(There could be a non Catholic saved without the Sacrament of baoptism and this would be known only to God.Since we do not know any such case in 2013 this is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus).


1258 The Church has always held the firm conviction that those who suffer death for the sake of the faith without having received Baptism are baptized by their death for and with Christ. This Baptism of blood, like the desire for Baptism, brings about the fruits of Baptism without being a sacrament. (2473)

(Similalry only Jesus can judge who has the baptism of desire who is really a martyr. So this cannot be an exception.)


1259 For catechumens who die before their Baptism, their explicit desire to receive it, together with repentance for their sins, and charity, assures them the salvation that they were not able to receive through the sacrament.(1249)


(The baptism of desire is irrelevant to the dogma. It is a possibility but it is not an exception to the dogma)


1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity. (848)

(A person can be saved in invincible ignorance. This is a possibility but it cannot be an exception. Otherwise it would be implying that we can see the dead-saved.)


1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"64 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. (1257, 1250)
(We leave children to the mercy of God. We agree here).
In Christ
Lionel Andrades


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