Thursday, September 13, 2018

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre like the liberals made a mistake on Vatican Council II and so the blame should not be placed on Vatican Council II only.

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre like the liberals made a mistake on Vatican Council II and so the blame should not be placed on Vatican Council II only. It is common for Rorate Caeili, Remnant and other traditionalists to routinely blame Vatican Council II, without making the distinction between Vatican Council II Cushingite and Vatican Council II, Feeneyite.Vatican Council II with Feeneyism can be interpreted in harmony with extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the Syllabus of Errors.On this point there is no denial on these websites or from the public relations office of the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) over the last few years.They simply keep quiet.
The SSPX bishops must admit that Archbishop Lefebvre only knew of Vatican Council II, Cushingite.He interpreted the baptism of desire etc with irrational Cushingism.He accepted the Cushingite interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 as did the SSPX bishops.Literally they did not know of any baptism of desire case and yet they criticized Fr. Leonard Feeney.
None of them stated that Vatican Council II could be intepreted with Feeneyism and there was no rupture with EENS or the Syllabus of Errors.They were misled and they continued to mislead others.
-Lionel Andrades

They have all made a mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and now they have a chance to correct it and admit that they were wrong for over 50 years.

They have all made a mistake in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and now they have a chance to correct it and admit that they were wrong for over 50 years.
The change with the correction, is so dramatic for many of them that they choose not to believe it.It is unbelievable !
For others the change is not welcome. They do not want to interpret Vatican Council II as a continuity with Tradition ( EENS, Syllabus of Errors).This includes the ecclesiastics at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.It would require making big sacrifices.
The change which they have to make is :-
1. Admit that the Letter of the Holy Office (CDF) in 1949 made an objective mistake. It assumed invisible cases of the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and being saved in invincible ignrance(I.I) were visible and  personally known non Catholics saved outside the Church.It was then inferred that these cases were  exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the past ecclesiology, which says all need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members for salvation.
If this error is recognised the interpretation of Vatican Councl II changes.

2.They need to admit that BOD, BOB and I.I can be interpreted as being only hypothetical for us human beings. Only for God they are objective and personally known.So they do not refer to known people in the present times(2018).

3.Similarly they need to admit that in Vatican Council II, LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22  etc also refer to hypothetical cases only.So they do not contradict Feeneyite EENS, or, EENS as it was known to the missionaries and Magisterium in the 16th century.

4.They need to admit that they made a mistake in the Fr. Leonard Feeney. He was correct.Since literally there are no known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I.He said that there is no BOD. So the ecclesiastics created a wrong theology; a new theology based on visible- for-them cases of BOD, BOB and I.I, which were alleged exceptions to the dogma EENS.

5.They need to admit that EENS today is the same as EENS in the 16th century when BOD,BOB and I.I refer to invisible people in the present times. Pope Benedict made an error in March 2016 (Avvenire) when he said that EENS today was not the same as EENS was for the missionaries in the 16th century. He had assumed there are known cases of BOD, BOB and I.I which contradict Feeneyite EENS and the Syllabus of Errors.
He also said that Vatican Council II was ' a development' meaning LG 8, LG 16 etc referred to known people saved outside the Church. So he concluded that Vatican Council II suggests that there is known salvation outside the Church.He then, based upon this error, questioned the need for mission. 

6.They also need to admit that Cardinal Luiz Ladaria s.j made an objective error at the Plateau Deo Press Conference (March 1, 2018) when he told an Associated Press correspondent that Lumen Gentium 8 contradicted the traditional understanding on the Catholic Church having the superiority and exclusiveness in salvation.

7.They need to admit that the objective error in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is repeated in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church(1994) and other 'magisterial' documents ( Redemptoris Missio etc).It is there in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission. This cannot be the work of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit cannot make a mistake and violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. This is human error and so in this sense, it is not magisterial.

Yes, they need to interpret all magisterial documents with what I call Feeneyism instead of the present irrational and non traditional Cushingism.Collectively I call this approach the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.It is of course interpreting Magisterial documents with Feeneyism instead of Cushingism ; without the false premise  and not with it.-Lionel Andrades


SEPTEMBER 12, 2018


With the Lionel Andrades model in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, liberal religious communities and even cardinals and bishops may end up in the same position as the Society of St. Pius X. They may want to reject Vatican Council II

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/09/with-lionel-andrades-model-in.html


Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." (AG 7) It is an error . It comes from the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949


Similarly when it states the following, it is also an error from the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston.
Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him(AG 7)


http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/there-is-mistake-in-ad-gentes-7vatican.html







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