Wednesday, June 3, 2015

Liturgy has been made subservient to political necessity.This heretical theology and doctrine ,this development, is necessary today to offer Holy Mass.


3. When the Holy Father, Pope Francis, asked me to accept the ministry of Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, I asked: "Your Holiness, how do you want me to exercise this ministry? What do you want me to do as Prefect of this Congregation?" The Holy Father's reply was clear. "I want you to continue to implement the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council," he said, "and I want you to continue the good work in the liturgy begun by Pope Benedict XVI." - Cardinal Robert Sarah

 "I want you to continue to implement the liturgical reform of the Second Vatican Council," he said, "and I want you to continue the good work in the liturgy begun by Pope Benedict XVI."

Lionel:
Pope Francis wants Cardinal Robert Sarah to continue to promote Holy Mass in which all priests, bishops and cardinals , interpret Vatican Council II without the theology and doctrine, of traditional Feeneyism but with irrational and heretical Cushingism.
 
They are allowed to offer Holy Mass in the differenct rites, as long as they reject the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam null salus. They have to allege that there are known exceptions to the dogma in the present times. So Vatican Council II becomes a break with trdaitional ecclesiology.The new ecclesiology, with the visible-dead premise,  is non traditional and heretical. It is politically correct with Cardinal Robert Sarah and Pope Francis.



 
2. Because the Sacred Liturgy is truly the font from which all the Church's power flows, as the Second Vatican Council insists (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, 10), we must do everything we can to put the Sacred Liturgy back at the very heart of the relationship between God and man, recognising the primacy of Almighty God in this privileged and unique forum in which we, individually and ecclesially, encounter God at work in our world. One cannot encounter God, my brothers and sisters, without trembling, without awe, without profound respect and holy fear. This is why we must rank what Cardinal Ratzinger called "the right way of celebrating the Liturgy, inwardly and outwardly" first amongst our concerns (Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, The Spirit of the Liturgy, Ignatius Press, San Francisco 2000, p. 9).
 
One cannot encounter God, my brothers and sisters, without trembling, without awe, without profound respect and holy fear. This is why we must rank what Cardinal Ratzinger called "the right way of celebrating the Liturgy, inwardly and outwardly"
 
Lionel:
For Cardinal Ratzinger one did not encounter God  only in the Catholic Church . Also there was salvation for him not only in the Catholic Church. For him there was salvation outside the Church. He rejected the Feeneyite version of salvation and accepted the Cushingite model. This was his understanding of doctrine and theology at Holy Mass.
It was a major break with the liturgy over the centuries which affirmed the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
My friends, I want you to help me in this task. I ask you to continue to work towards achieving the liturgical aims of the Second Vatican Council (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, I) and to work to continue the liturgical renewal promoted by Pope Benedict XVI, especially through the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis of 22 February 2007 and the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum of 7 July 2007. I ask you to be wise, like the householder in St Matthew's Gospel, who knows when to bring out of his treasure things both new and old (cf. Mtt: 13: 52), so that the Sacred Liturgy as it is celebrated and lived today may lose nothing of the estimable riches of the Church's liturgical tradition, whilst always being open to legitimate development (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, 23).
work towards achieving the liturgical aims of the Second Vatican Council (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, I) and to work to continue the liturgical renewal promoted by Pope Benedict XVI, especially through the Post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis of 22 February 2007 and the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum of 7 July 2007.

Lionel: 
It means offering Holy Mass in which A being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11) refer to salvation without the baptism of water. Salvation outside the Church. Salvation visible in the flesh. So these cases are EXCEPTIONS to B  the rigorist intepretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version, that of the popes, Church Councils and saints.
For Pope Benedict A contradicted B.
Those who say A does not contradict B are not allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass. Since it means they support the Feeneyism.
It means there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict B, the rigorist interpretation of the dogma. This is not the understanding of Vatican Council II promoted by Pope Benedict , Pope Francis and the political Left.It is a Vatican Council II with the hermenutic of rupture, it is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So liturgy has been made subservient to political necessity.
 
the estimable riches of the Church's liturgical tradition,
Lionel:
When the Church always assumed that A was not in conflict with B. A did not contradict B.
 
 whilst always being open to legitimate development (cf. Sacrosanctum Concilium, 23).
Lionel:
In the development, with appartion theology and the irrational premise and inference, A is in conflict with B, A contradicts B. There is a hermeneutic of rupture in Vatican Council II. It is non traditional.This heretical theology and doctrine ,this development, is necessary today to offer Holy Mass.It is a requirement for all priests, bishops, cardinals and popes.
-Lionel Andrades

If you speak to Cardinal Robert Sarah he will say that he rejects Feeneyism. So he interprets Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/06/if-you-speak-to-cardinal-robert-sarah.html


 
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If you speak to Cardinal Robert Sarah he will say that he rejects Feeneyism. So he interprets Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism.

Odds are that Cardinal Robert Sarah, like Pope Francis and Pope Benedict ,does not accept the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which says every one needs the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.
So the Traditional Latin Mass is not being allowed for the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, one of the reasons, is that they accept the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ( even though with confusion). They are considered crypto Lefebvrists since they affirm that all non Catholics need to convert into the Church for salvation.This would include Jews.
Since the FSSP in general does not affirm the rigorist interpretation of the dogma they are allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass.They have accepted the new ecclesiology with the litturgy.
They interpret Vatican Council II with (A) being saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) , seeds of the Word (AG 11), elements of sanctification and truth(LG 8), imperfect communion with the Church (NA ) and a ray of that Truth(NA 2) CONTRADICTING (B) the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version.They have acceped the Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani model.
If you speak to Cardinal Sarah he will say that he rejects Feeneyism. This is expected of him by the Jewish Left. I learnt this in communication with Cardinal Francis Arinze at the Vatican.
So he interprets Vatican Council II with irrational Cushingism , which infers that there are apparitions in 2015 of persons saved in (A).There would have to be real apparitions for them to be exceptions to the dogma.
This is heretical and not real for Cardinal Sarah.Yet this is the reality at the Vatican.
If he says A is not an exception to B, since A is known only to God and is hypothetical for us, then it would mean there is nothing in Vatican Council II to contradict B (the dogma).
Yet we cannot expect Cardinal Sarah to be corrected since even the traditionalists make the same mistake. Even for the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney in the USA, Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, A contradicts B. So for them Vatican Council II is not in harmony with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma ,according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.
Liberals and traditionalists are doing catechesis and theology with the same objective error.  
-Lionel Andrades
 

Robert Spencer made the common mistake on Vatican Council II

There is no denial from Robert Spencer.
He made the common mistake on Vatican Council II.
He assumed that (A) being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were exceptions to (B) the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Feeneyite version.This was his understanding of Vatican Council II when he wrote a book with Daniel Ali. So my guess initially was correct.
His theology and interpretation of Vatican Council II, as a Catholic was irrational.
Every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church is the teaching of Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) unless one assumes that the dead-saved are personally visible and known in June 2015, to be exceptions to this traditional Catholic teaching. Spencer is holding on to appartion theology which changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II on Islam and Judaism.Spencer is using the liberal Marchetti model.This is also the common secular model used by the mainline newspapers.
Vatican Council II without the Marchetti error, would  be in conflict with the leftist political values and also that of the Vatican. 
Robert Spencer is not interpreting Vatican Council II without the Marchetti model and may be  he needs time to review all this.This may have come upon him too fast. It is definitely new for him.
It is clear, from his silence,  that he is using the same irrationality in interpretating Vatican Council II as Pope Francis and the leadership in the Catholic Church.Without the irrationality, pre-Vatican Council II and post Vatican Council II teachings on Islam, for example, have not changed.
Presently Catholics quote the popes and saints on Islam. They do not quote Vatican Council II, even though they can.The same with Judaism and other religions.
Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14) still promotes an ecumenism of return, as in pre-Vatican Council II times.
Avoid apparition theology, Marchetti's false inference, and Vatican Council II is traditional.This could be new for Spencer. May be over time he will correct his position.
If Robert Spencer held this rational view would it be considered anti-Semitic ?
The Jewish Left media and political and social institutions are using Marchetti's model in the interpretation of Vatican Council II in which A conflicts with B.
For me Vatican Council II is in agreement with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible teaching' in the first part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, which supported Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
 Since A were exceptions to B for Spencer , it means A refers to explicit cases in the present times. It refers to defacto, known cases who are exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church to be saved from Hell-otherwise how could they be exceptions ?.Spencer is irrational since these persons (A) would be in Heaven and would be unknown to us human beings.
'Zero cases of something cannot be exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus' says the apologist and biblical scholar John Martignoni.
For Robert Spencer A does not refer to zero cases. If they referred to zero cases they would not be relevant to the dogma.They would not be exceptions.Since there are exceptions for Robert Spencer there are no zero cases.
For me A is not in conflict with B.This is how it was before 1949. So for me there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II to the rigorist, traditional interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation. The Church still teaches, in the text of Vatican Council II, that all Muslims and other non Catholics need to formally convert into the Church with 'faith and baptism' to avoid Hell and go to Heaven. It is Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) which is saying that all Muslims and Jews need to be card carrying members of the Church for salvation.It is not just the popes and saints of the past. It is Vatican Council II which indicates that all people alive today in 2015, need to get their names on the parish baptism register, to go to Heaven.There are no exceptions and cannot be any known exception in the present times.
I repeat have written this not to criticize Robert Spencer but so that he takes note of this and in his future book on apologetics for Catholics, with reference to Islam, mentions these concepts.He needs to tell Muslims and Jews, that they are all going to Hell with no known exception in the present times, and that this is the official teaching of the Catholic Church, not according to the contemporary magisterium, but according to magisterial texts, Church documents, which are part of the Deposit of the Faith.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church also according to common sense and with no claims of being able to see apparitions.
-Lionel Andrades

Still no denial from Robert Spencer

From Twitter
Robert Spencer:
Here are words by which everything else you write about me stands condemned: "I have not read the book by...Robert Spencer."
Lionel:
O.K I have not read the book and you have not denied that for you A is an exception to B. This is Vatican Council II for you.
-Lionel Andrades