Sunday, March 14, 2021
Don Gianfranco Girlanda sj è l'Assistente pontificio della Legione di Cristo e dei Francescani dell'Immacolata, comunita religiosi. Vorrei chiedergli la sua risposta a queste domande e quindi gliele invio.
Don Gianfranco Girlanda sj è l'Assistente pontificio della Legione di Cristo e dei Francescani dell'Immacolata, comunita religiosi. Vorrei chiedergli la sua risposta a queste domande e quindi gliele invio.
Non ci sono non cattolici fisicamente visibili nel 2021 che vengono salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Non possiamo vederli o incontrarli nella carne. Se esistessero, sarebbero conosciuti solo da Dio. Sto parlando nel senso di fisica, corpi in movimento, corpi stazionari, slancio, leggi di gravitazione di Newton, ecc.
Al livello della materia di Newton non ci sono corpi stazionari, esseri umani salvati fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica con il battesimo del desiderio, l'ignoranza invincibile o il battesimo di sangue. Secondo le leggi della fisica, dello spazio, della massa, della luce, ecc., non possiamo vedere un non cattolico salvato al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica.
POSSONO ESSERE DUE INTERPRETAZIONI DI CREDO NICENO E CREDO APOSTOLO . Come interpreta il Credo degli Apostoli durante la Santa Messa? Ci sono due opzioni, una razionale e l'altra irrazionale, una tradizionale e l'altra non tradizionale, una eretica e l'altra non eretica, una scismatica e l'altra non una rottura con il passato Magistero della Chiesa Cattolica. La maggior parte dei Cattolici sceglie la versione irrazionale che non è proibita da papi, cardinali e vescovi. 1. Dici in chiesa, alla Santa Messa, quando si prega il Credo, " Credo nello Spirito Santo, la santa Chiesa Cattolica, la comunione dei santi " vuoi dire che lo Spirito Santo guida la Chiesa oggi per insegnare che al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica c'è la salvezza, la salvezza conosciuta, ci sono i non cattolici visibili salvati senza fede e il battesimo d'acqua e quindi non c'è comunione con i santi sul extra ecclesiam nulla salus, il Credo Atanasio ecc.?
O, 2. Dici in chiesa durante la messa: "Io credo nello Spirito Santo, la Santa Chiesa cattolica, la comunione dei santi" e quindi vuoi dire che lo Spirito Santo guida la Chiesa oggi per insegnare che fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica non c'è salvezza conosciuta.Non ci sono non cattolici fisicamente visibili nel 2021 salvati senza la fede cattolica e il battesimo dell'acqua. E quindi c'è comunione con i santi: Francesco d'Assisi, Ignazio di Loyola, Francesco Saverio, Caterina da Siena, Massimiliano Kolbe ecc. - su extra ecclesiam nulla salus (senza eccezioni, come nel XVI secolo) il Credo Atanasio che dice che tutti devono essere Cattolici per la salvezza, il Catechismo di Papa Pio X (24Q, 27Q), il Sillabo degli Errori di Papa Pio IX (ecumenismo del ritorno), Quas Primas di Papa Pio XI sulla Proclamazione del Regno Sociale di Cristo Re in tutta la legislazione politica ecc.?
CI SONO DUE INTERPRETAZIONI DEL CREDO NICENO. QUAL È IL TUO ?
Professo un solo Battesimo per il perdono dei peccati.- Credo Niceno
1. C'è un battesimo per il perdono dei peccati. questo battesimo e solo il battesimo di acqua. È fisicamente visibile e ripetibile. O. 2. Ci sono più di tre battesimi per il perdono dei peccati, sono battesimi conosciuti, visibili personalmente. Sono il battesimo del desiderio, il battesimo di sangue e l'ignoranza invincibile. Escludono il battesimo dell'acqua nella Chiesa Cattolica e quindi sono eccezioni pratiche a Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) come spiegato nella Lettera del Sant'Uffizio (CDF) 1949 all'Arcivescovo di Boston. È stato citato anche nel Concilio Vaticano II (Lumen Gentium 16) COME RISPONDERESTE A QUESTE TRE DOMANDE? 1. Affermi il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) senza eccezioni? 2. Non ci sono casi fisicamente visibili del battesimo del desiderio e dell'ignoranza invincibile. Non possiamo vederli fisicamente. Sei d'accordo con me, non ci sono casi visibili nel 2021? 3. Se i papi, cardinali e vescovi interpretano documenti del Magistero con una falsa premessa per creare un errore oggettivo, si tratta comunque di una violazione del Principio di Non Contraddizione di Aristotele. Non ci sono esenzioni per grado o status. Sei d'accordo ?
ALTRE TRE DOMANDE PER RENDERE LE COSE PIÙ CHIARE 1) Conosciamo personalmente qualche persona morta ora in Paradiso salvata nell'ignoranza invincibile, una buona coscienza (LG 16) ecc., Possiamo vederla fisicamente, nel 2021? Sì o no. 2) Poiché non conosciamo nessuno di questi casi, nella vita reale non ci sono visibili, non sono note eccezioni all'interpretazione letterale del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, o Ad Gentes 7 che afferma "tutto" bisogno 'fede e battesimo' per la salvezza? 3) Quindi Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Specs 22 ecc., sono eccezioni pratiche al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Si or No.-Lionel Andrades
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
MARCH 14, 2021
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God. I am speaking in the sense of physics, moving bodies, stationary bodies, momentum, Newton's laws of gravitation etc.
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God.
How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.
Or.
2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).
HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THESE THREE QUESTIONS ?
1. Do you affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions ? Can I quote you ?
Non ci sono non cattolici fisicamente visibili nel 2021 che vengono salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Non possiamo vederli o incontrarli nella carne. Se esistessero, sarebbero conosciuti solo da Dio. Sto parlando nel senso di fisica, corpi in movimento, corpi stazionari, slancio, leggi di gravitazione di Newton, ecc.
Non ci sono non cattolici fisicamente visibili nel 2021 che vengono salvati fuori dalla Chiesa. Non possiamo vederli o incontrarli nella carne. Se esistessero, sarebbero conosciuti solo da Dio. Sto parlando nel senso di fisica, corpi in movimento, corpi stazionari, slancio, leggi di gravitazione di Newton, ecc.
Al livello della materia di Newton non ci sono corpi stazionari, esseri umani salvati fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica con il battesimo del desiderio, l'ignoranza invincibile o il battesimo di sangue. Secondo le leggi della fisica, dello spazio, della massa, della luce, ecc., non possiamo vedere un non cattolico salvato al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica.
POSSONO ESSERE DUE INTERPRETAZIONI DI CREDO NICENO E CREDO APOSTOLO . Come interpreta il Credo degli Apostoli durante la Santa Messa? Ci sono due opzioni, una razionale e l'altra irrazionale, una tradizionale e l'altra non tradizionale, una eretica e l'altra non eretica, una scismatica e l'altra non una rottura con il passato Magistero della Chiesa Cattolica. La maggior parte dei Cattolici sceglie la versione irrazionale che non è proibita da papi, cardinali e vescovi. 1. Dici in chiesa, alla Santa Messa, quando si prega il Credo, " Credo nello Spirito Santo, la santa Chiesa Cattolica, la comunione dei santi " vuoi dire che lo Spirito Santo guida la Chiesa oggi per insegnare che al di fuori della Chiesa Cattolica c'è la salvezza, la salvezza conosciuta, ci sono i non cattolici visibili salvati senza fede e il battesimo d'acqua e quindi non c'è comunione con i santi sul extra ecclesiam nulla salus, il Credo Atanasio ecc.?
O, 2. Dici in chiesa durante la messa: "Io credo nello Spirito Santo, la Santa Chiesa cattolica, la comunione dei santi" e quindi vuoi dire che lo Spirito Santo guida la Chiesa oggi per insegnare che fuori dalla Chiesa Cattolica non c'è salvezza conosciuta.Non ci sono non cattolici fisicamente visibili nel 2021 salvati senza la fede cattolica e il battesimo dell'acqua. E quindi c'è comunione con i santi: Francesco d'Assisi, Ignazio di Loyola, Francesco Saverio, Caterina da Siena, Massimiliano Kolbe ecc. - su extra ecclesiam nulla salus (senza eccezioni, come nel XVI secolo) il Credo Atanasio che dice che tutti devono essere Cattolici per la salvezza, il Catechismo di Papa Pio X (24Q, 27Q), il Sillabo degli Errori di Papa Pio IX (ecumenismo del ritorno), Quas Primas di Papa Pio XI sulla Proclamazione del Regno Sociale di Cristo Re in tutta la legislazione politica ecc.?
CI SONO DUE INTERPRETAZIONI DEL CREDO NICENO. QUAL È IL TUO ?
Professo un solo Battesimo per il perdono dei peccati.- Credo Niceno
1. C'è un battesimo per il perdono dei peccati. questo battesimo e solo il battesimo di acqua. È fisicamente visibile e ripetibile. O. 2. Ci sono più di tre battesimi per il perdono dei peccati, sono battesimi conosciuti, visibili personalmente. Sono il battesimo del desiderio, il battesimo di sangue e l'ignoranza invincibile. Escludono il battesimo dell'acqua nella Chiesa Cattolica e quindi sono eccezioni pratiche a Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) come spiegato nella Lettera del Sant'Uffizio (CDF) 1949 all'Arcivescovo di Boston. È stato citato anche nel Concilio Vaticano II (Lumen Gentium 16) COME RISPONDERESTE A QUESTE TRE DOMANDE? 1. Affermi il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) senza eccezioni? 2. Non ci sono casi fisicamente visibili del battesimo del desiderio e dell'ignoranza invincibile. Non possiamo vederli fisicamente. Sei d'accordo con me, non ci sono casi visibili nel 2021? 3. Se i papi, cardinali e vescovi interpretano documenti del Magistero con una falsa premessa per creare un errore oggettivo, si tratta comunque di una violazione del Principio di Non Contraddizione di Aristotele. Non ci sono esenzioni per grado o status. Sei d'accordo ?
ALTRE TRE DOMANDE PER RENDERE LE COSE PIÙ CHIARE 1) Conosciamo personalmente qualche persona morta ora in Paradiso salvata nell'ignoranza invincibile, una buona coscienza (LG 16) ecc., Possiamo vederla fisicamente, nel 2021? Sì o no. 2) Poiché non conosciamo nessuno di questi casi, nella vita reale non ci sono visibili, non sono note eccezioni all'interpretazione letterale del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, o Ad Gentes 7 che afferma "tutto" bisogno 'fede e battesimo' per la salvezza? 3) Quindi Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16, Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Nostra Aetate 2, Gaudium et Specs 22 ecc., sono eccezioni pratiche al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus? Si or No.-Lionel Andrades
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
MARCH 14, 2021
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God. I am speaking in the sense of physics, moving bodies, stationary bodies, momentum, Newton's laws of gravitation etc.
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God.
How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints - Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.
Or.
2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).
HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THESE THREE QUESTIONS ?
1. Do you affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions ? Can I quote you ?
Since outside the Church there is no salvation, irrespective of how you interpret Vatican Council II, Jesus should be the center of all national legislation and politics and there should not be a separatiion of the Catholic State and the Catholic Church
Since outside the Church there is no salvation, irrespective of how you interpret Vatican Council II, Jesus should be the center of all national legislation and politics and there should not be a separatiion of the Catholic State and the Catholic Church. -Lionel Andrades
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God. I am speaking in the sense of physics, moving bodies, stationary bodies, momentum, Newton's laws of gravitation etc.
There are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 who are saved outside the Church. We cannot see or meet them in the flesh. If they existed they would only be known to God.
How do you interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints- Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
THERE ARE TWO INTERPRETATIONS OF THE NICENE CREED. WHICH ONE IS YOURS ?
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.
Or.
2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16)
HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER THESE THREE QUESTIONS ?
1. Do you affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions ? Can I quote you ?
So why did Vatican Council II mention salvation outside the Church, when there is no known salvation outside the Church?
So why did Vatican Council II mention salvation outside the Church, when there is no known salvation outside the Church?
A small and influential group of the Council Fathers, followed the mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It mistakenly considered unknown cases of being saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance as being known in real life and so they became practical exceptions to the traditional strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) based on John 3:5 and Mark 16:16. The error was not corrected after World War II by Pope Pius XII and then Pope John XXIII. So two interpretations of EENS emerged, EENS with or without exceptions. The result is that now there are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one in which the Council ( LG 8, LG 16) is an exception to EENS and the other with the Council ( LG 8, LG 16, UR 3 etc) not contradicting Feeneyite EENS.
The Council Fathers made an objective mistake.They chose the irrational interpretation.So the Council contradicted EENS for them. -Lionel Andrades
We cannot separate Jesus from salvation in the Catholic Church.This has to be taught to Catholic children
Catholic children are being taught that the Catholic Church teaches that there is salvation outside the Church and Vatican Council II is being pointed out to them. This is false.The reference to salvation outside the Church in Vatican Council II, are to things hoped for, they are speculative and theoretical and are not references to real people in the present times.So they do not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, when it states all need faith and baptism, for salvation.It does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) and the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation. We cannot separate Jesus from salvation in the Catholic Church.This has to be taught to Catholic children. - Lionel Andrades
So for me his Profession of Faith, like that of the priest who offers the Latin Mass, in the same church in Rome, is modernist
Yesterday evening at Holy Mass in Italian again the priest presented Jesus without the necessity of membership in the Catholic Church for salvation.
It was Christocentrism without Ecclesiocentrism.
This could indicate that the priest had interpreted Vatican Council II and the Creeds with a false premise, to create a rupture with traditional exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.
He the Profession of Faith based on the Creed recited , when he interprets the Apostles and Nicene Creed with a false premise and I do not not do the same.
So for me his Profession of Faith, like that of the priest who offers the Latin Mass, in the same church in Rome, is modernist. - Lionel Andrades
Cardinal Parolin does not inform the Polish, French, Spanish, Brazilian and Mexican governments, that the Catholic Church has no objection if they interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise
Cardinal Pietro Parolin called on President Sergio Mattarella and met members of Parliament and the new Prime Minister, who support abortion and gay marriages.The Leftist Government has good relations with the Catholic Church as Cardinal Parolin does not inform the Polish, French, Spanish, Brazilian and Mexican governments, that the Catholic Church has no objection if they interpret Vatican Council II without the false premise, to create a continuity with the traditional teaching on no salvation outside the Church, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX.The Vatican has no objections as President Mattarella and Prime Minister Mario Dragi, like the Jesuits, use a false premise to interpret the Council. - Lionel Andrades
Saturday, March 13, 2021
Jeff Mirus and Phil Lawler at Catholic Culture are using the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and the Creeds
Lumen Gentium 16 does not refer to a known or specific instance. Indeed, there can be no ”known” instance of salvation outside of the Blessed Mother and those persons whom the Church has declared Saints – all of whom were, as far as I know, professed Christians in life. I suppose St. Dismas (the Good Thief) stands apart as an exception, but there is much that is exceptional about being crucified next to Our Lord!
This is part of the correspondence with Catholic Culture.
How does Catholic Culture interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints- Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
What are your answers to these three questions?
1. Do you affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions ? Can I quote you ?
There are two interpretations of the Nicene Creed, which one is yours.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins - Nicene Creed
1. There is one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, it is the baptism of water. It is physically visible and repeatable.
Or.
2.There are more than three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, they are known baptisms, personally visible. They are the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance. They exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so are practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) as explained in the Letter of the Holy Office(CDF) 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It was referenced also in Vatican Council II(Lumen Gentium 16).-Lionel Andrades
So now there is confusion in the Church on faith and morrals. There is a new revelation, a new Gospel in the Church
Pope Benedict changed the faith and moral teachings of the Catholic Church by acting from the interior of the Church and projecting himself as being conservative. We cannot judge exceptions to the Church's teachings on mortal sin, for example on immodesty in clothes. This can only be known to God.
Immodesty is still traditionally a mortal sin.
This was not clarified in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.So Veritatis Spendor , the encylical on morals of Pope John Paul II, had to be issued.
Similarly the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not practical exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).There are no known exceptions to all needing faith and baptism for salvation. We cannot judge any one as being saved with the baptism of desire or invincible ignorance. This confusion is there in Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith did not correct the error.This was a faith issue.
So now there is confusion in the Church on faith and morrals. There is a new revelation, a new Gospel in the Church. - Lionel Andrades
If your Parish Priest interprets the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed with a false premise can he still be the Parish Priest ? -
If your Parish Priest interprets the Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed with a false premise can he still be the Parish Priest ? - Lionel Andrades
This is the vaccination needed to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and it is is found only in the Catholic Church
This is the vaccination needed to go to Heaven and avoid Hell and it is is found only in the Catholic Church( Creeds, Catechisms, Vatican Council II etc interpreted rationally). - Lionel Andrades
How can we have cardinals who recite the Apostles and Nicene Creed irrationally, how can we have popes who do the same ?
How can we have cardinals who recite the Apostles and Nicene Creed irrationally, how can we have popes who do the same ? - Lionel Andrades
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano offers the Latin Mass with the Novus Ordo theology. Unknown cases of Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14 and Lumen Gentium 16 are known exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) for him. With the same irrationality he proclaims the Nicene and Apostles Creed. So he did not object when Pope Francis cited Vatican Council II, interpreted with the irrational premise, on his return from Iraq
Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano offers the Latin Mass with the Novus Ordo theology. Unknown cases of Lumen Gentium 8, Lumen Gentium 14 and Lumen Gentium 16 are known exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) for him. With the same irrationality he proclaims the Nicene and Apostles Creed. So he did not object when Pope Francis cited Vatican Council II, interpreted with the irrational premise, on his return from Iraq. -Lionel Andrades
Peter and Michael Dimond interpret Vatican Council II with a false premise even after being informed and so they would also be doing the same with the Apostles and Nicene Creed .This would be a mortal sin according to their traditional values
MARCH 12, 2021
How does don Pietro Leone interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
How does Rorate Caeili and Don Pietro interpret the Apostles Creed at Holy Mass ?
There are two options, one rational and the other irrational, one traditional and the other non traditional, one heretical and the other non heretical, one schismatic and the other not a rupture with the past Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Most Catholics choose the irrational version which is not prohibited by the popes, cardinals and bishops.
1. Do you say in church, at Holy Mass when the Creed is prayed, " I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Catholic Church there is salvation, known salvation, there are visible non Catholics saved without faith and the baptism of water and so there is no communion with the saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed etc ?
Or,
2. Do you say in church at Mass , "I beleive in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the communion of saints" and then mean that the Holy Spirit guides the Church today to teach that outside the Church there is no known salvation, there are no physically visible non Catholics in 2021 saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water in the Catholic Church and so there is communion with the saints- Francis of Assisi, Ignatius of Loyola, Francis Xavier, Catherine of Siena, Maximillian Kolbe etc - on extra ecclesiam nulla salus( with no exceptions, like in the 16th century) the Athanasius Creed which says all need to be Catholic for salvation, the Catechism of Pope Pius X ( 24Q, 27Q), the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return), Quas Primas o Pope Pius XI on the Proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King in all political legislation etc ?
What are your answers to these three questions?
1. Do you affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no exceptions ? Can I quote you ?
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