Tuesday, October 23, 2012

SSPX CONFUSION

There are Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) websites which assume we can see the dead saved with the baptism of desire etc.So they are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Then they reject the literal interpretation of the dogma. This affects all areas of the Catholic Faith. The Holy Mass, vocations, Eucharist ...


Here are the two websites

THE THREE BAPTISMS
By Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer

FR. FEENEY AND CATHOLIC DOCTRINE

VOCATIONS: Candidates with a religious vocation to the Society of St.Pius X  must accept that they can can see the dead who are saved. They must affirm that the dead saved with the baptism of desire etc are visible to them.

CREED: Those SSPX Religious who make a Profession of Faith with the Nicene Creed must accept that there is not one (known) baptism for the forgiveness of sin but there three known baptisms ( water, desire and blood ). The dead saved with the baptism of desire or martyrdom in 2012 are visible to them.

VATICAN COUNCIL II: For the SSPX Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Nicene and Athanasius Creed.Since there are visible cases of the dead saved LG 16 contradicts AG 7.

NON CATHOLICS: Non Catholics known to the SSPX do not have to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell since they can be saved with the 'baptisms' of the 'seeds of the word' etc which are explicit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They can be saved with the baptism of desire which is a known exception to the dogma according to the SSPX websites.

EUCHARIST: With explicit exceptions they deny a dogma defined by three Church Councils in different times and defended by the popes and saints, and then they go up and receive the Eucharist at Holy Mass.

 
ABORTION: If religious can give up the dogma on salvation because of alleged cases of the dead whom they can see, why cannot lay people also give up Church teachings on contraception and abortion it is asked. This is a bad precedent.

The heresy and confusion originates with the theory of the dead saved being visible.Once it contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus then it spreads to the Creed, Profession of Faith, Vocations, Holy Mass etc.
-Lionel Andrades

INTERACTING HERESY AND CONFUSION IN THE DIOCESE OF LEEDS ENGLAND.


Consider the situation in the Catholic diocese of Leeds, England which is common to other dioceses.


VOCATIONS: Candidates for religious vocations must accept that they can can see the dead who are saved. They must affirm that the dead saved with the baptism of desire etc visible to them.


CREED: Those Religious who make a Profession of Faith with the Nicene Creed must accept that there is not one (known) baptism for the forgiveness of sin but there three known baptisms ( water, desire and blood ). The dead saved with the baptism of desire or martyrdom in 2012 are visible to them.


VATICAN COUNCIL II: All have to accept that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Nicene and Athanasius Creed.Since there are visible cases of the dead saved.

NON CATHOLICS: Non Catholics do not have to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid Hell since they can be saved with the 'baptisms' of the 'seeds of the word' etc which are explicit exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.


EUCHARIST: They deny a dogma defined by three Church Councils in different times and defended by the popes and saints, and then they go up and receive the Eucharist at Holy Mas. This is heresy. Is it not a sacrilege for those who 'know' like the bishop of Leeds ?


ABORTION: If religious can give up the dogma on salvation because of alleged cases of the dead whom they can see, why cannot lay people also give up Church teachings on contraception and abortion it is asked. Everything is relative.

PROTESTANTS: Since the Catholic Church does not teach the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus any more, because of alleged exceptions, Protestants do not have to convert into the Church to avoid Hell. They are saved even without receiving the Eucharist. They can abort and contracept and they are still saved. So why cannot Catholics do the same it is asked?


The heresy and confusion originates with the theory of the dead saved being visible.Once it contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus then it spreads to the Creed, Profession of Faith, Vocations, Holy Mass and the Eucharist, the liturgy, evangelisation and other aspects of the Catholic Church.

Bishop Arthur Roche appointed to senior Vatican post | Arthur Roche, Bishop of Leeds, Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments,The Reverend Arthur Roche is the Bishop of Leeds.He is also the new Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments,Vatican.

Bishop Roche would not affirm the dogma and now he is promoted to the Vatican Office responsible for the Holy Mass and the liturgy.

I will e- mail this blog post to the Diocese of Leeds, and as before, no none will respond disagreeing with me. They know what I say here is true. -Lionel Andrades

EDWARD PENTIN DID NOT ASK ARCHBISHOPS MULLER AND DI NOI HOW COULD INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND 'ELEMENTS OF GRACE' BE EXCEPTIONS TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Edward PentinThe National Catholic Register's Rome Correspondent Edward Pentin in interviews with Archbishop Gerhard Muller and Archbishop Augistine Di Noia asked them about extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is an issue, since the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) mentioned it in their last Chapter statement (July 19,2012).


Archbishop Gerhard Muller , the Prefect of the Congregation or the Doctrine of the Faith response was that extra ecclesiam nulla salus was contradicted by those who can be saved in invincible ignorance. So this dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation was no more relevant for the present time.


Edward Pentin did not ask Archbishop Muller how could cases of non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance be an exception, since we do not know any such case on earth in 2012. Only if these cases were explicit and known could they be exceptions. So was the Archbishop implying that he would see the dead on earth?

A Catholic can hold the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with being saved implicitly in invincible ignorance or with implicit baptism of desire, known only to God ? It does not violate the Principle of Non Contradiction.

Similarly he asked Archbishop Augustine Di Noia about extra ecclesiam nulla salus. The Vice President of Ecclesia Dei indicated that there were exceptions to the dogma. There could be non Catholics saved with 'elements of grace'.


That there can be non Catholics saved with 'elements of grace' is no issue. In principle we accept this. However we cannot claim that these cases are defacto known in the present times and so are exceptions to the thrice defined dogma which Pope Pius XII called an 'infallible statement'(1949).

Edward Pentin again did not ask the Archbishop how could there be known exceptions to the dogma ? Does Archbishop Di Noia personally know cases saved with 'elements of grace' in the present times? Can he be sure that the Protestants whom he admires will be saved and so will be exceptions to the dogma. Can he see the dead saved with 'elements of grace'?

Why should the Protestants whom he admires be exceptions to the ordinary means of salvation which is Catholic faith (AG 7) and the Catholic Church (Redemptoris Missio 55)?

Both Archbishops would have had to answer no. Since it is a fact that we cannot see the dead saved. This error  originted with the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing.He assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception to the dogma.Even though it was irrelevent  the excommunication of Fr.Leonard Feeney was not lifted for 19 years.

Since both archbishops assume that there are exceptions Edward Pentin  could have asked them if they believed in three known baptisms or more than three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sin instead of one, as mentioned in the Nicene Creed etc.
Well, may be in his next interview he could clarify these points.
-Lionel Andrades

BOTH ARCHBISHOP MULLER AND DI NOIA MADE A FACTUAL ERROR IN THEIR SEPARATE INTERVIEWS WITH THE NATIONAL CATHOLIC REGISTER