Wednesday, March 25, 2015

The FSSP priests are not teaching the truths of the Catholic Faith for political reasons. They are teaching a lie.So what do we do ? We do not discuss it since they are priests?


"Slander" and "lies"
From the Vatican website:

III. OFFENSES AGAINST TRUTH
2475 Christ's disciples have "put on the new man, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness." By "putting away falsehood," they are to "put away all malice and all guile and insincerity and envy and all slander."
2482 "A lie consists in speaking a falsehood with the intention of deceiving." The Lord denounces lying as the work of the devil: "You are of your father the devil, . . . there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
Lionel:
Would you consider the following examples of official lies?
 
Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome : Vicariate teaches a falsehood
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/lay-catholics-should-contact-auxiliary.html
 
Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) still assumes on its USA website that the baptism of desire is an exception to the dogma http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/society-of-stpius-x-sspx-still-assumes.html
 
When the laity are aware of the false premise, they will not fall for this ruse
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/when-laity-are-aware-of-false-premise.html
 
The SSPX must be prepared for the CDF's wrong arguments
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/03/the-sspx-must-be-prepared-for-cdfs.html
 
Archbishop Gerhard Muller was using the false premise : here is the proof!http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/06/archbishop-gerhard-muller-was-using.html
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2483 Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error. By injuring man's relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord.
Lionel:
The FSSP priests are not teaching the truth of the Catholic Faith for political reasons. They are teaching a lie.So what do we do ? We do not discuss it since they are priests?
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2484 The gravity of a lie is measured against the nature of the truth it deforms, the circumstances, the intentions of the one who lies, and the harm suffered by its victims. If a lie in itself only constitutes a venial sin, it becomes mortal when it does grave injury to the virtues of justice and charity.
Lionel:
The issue here is a de fide teaching, from the Nicene Creed and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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2485 By its very nature, lying is to be condemned. It is a profanation of speech, whereas the purpose of speech is to communicate known truth to others. The deliberate intention of leading a neighbor into error by saying things contrary to the truth constitutes a failure in justice and charity. The culpability is greater when the intention of deceiving entails the risk of deadly consequences for those who are led astray.
Lionel:
The FSSP Pastor has been informed. Yet he keeps silent.He will not admit the truth.He will not say that he is wrong.


He will not comment.
Similarly another FSSP priest in Rome will not comment or affirm the truth in public because of political pressure.
So we must let the lie remain?
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2486 Since it violates the virtue of truthfulness, a lie does real violence to another. It affects his ability to know, which is a condition of every judgment and decision. It contains the seed of discord and all consequent evils. Lying is destructive of society; it undermines trust among men and tears apart the fabric of social relationships.
 
-Lionel Andrades
 


Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) has changed Church teachings on family catechesis, religious education, salvation, mortal sin, ecclesiology...
 

Fr.John Hunwicke on SSPX and Unity

 
Can Fr.John make this rational statement on his blog?!
 
Apparently Fr.Hunwicke is not willling to do so.He is not willing to make the rational statement.
 
He cannot say, 'We Catholics do not know of any exception to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there cannot be an exception, in Vatican Council II to EENS'.
His superiors in the Ordinariate, the English bishops would not be willing to say this.So his position remains that of the liberals and leftists on this issue.
As a liberal he is calling upon the SSPX for a unity with heresy and an irrational ecclesiology just as he is obligated to be united with this error to keep his career.
I wrote :
How can the Episcopal Conference accept Vatican Council II interpreted in line with the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS ? This is unthinkable in leftist England.
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The priest in the Ordinariate is obligated to interpret Vatican Council II with an irrationality. Otherwise he will lose his canonical status. The same would apply to Fr. John.
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Fr.John Hunwicke also gains when he does not affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. This is accepted by the Left within and without the Church.
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Yes there should be a reconciliation but this is not possible since the 'mainstream' Church is following the political left. This is the doctrinal position of the Vatican Curia.It is also that of Fr.John.
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The Ordinariates are interpreting Vatican Council II as a break with the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This would be expected of the SSPX too. The premise used is irrational and there is no correction coming from the Holy See.There are many reports on this issue on the Internet. It is being ignored by the Vatican.They are not saying that there cannot be any exception mentioned in Vatican Council II to the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
So Fr.John Hunwicke is really affirming a liberal, heretical position on this issue and this is pleasing to the political Left.He wants the SSPX to condone the leftist interpretation of the Council, for unity, just as he did. 
-Lionel Andrades
 
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The 'mainstream' Church has to begin the reconciliation process with doctrinal truth.They have to admit that there are no exceptions to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma EENS, on March 19,2015
 
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Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) has changed Church teachings on family catechesis, religious education, salvation, mortal sin, ecclesiology...
 
 

Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) has changed Church teachings on family catechesis, religious education, salvation, mortal sin, ecclesiology...

The Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP) has changed Church teachings on family catechesis,religious education, salvation, mortal sin, ecclesiology...
There is  no denial or clarification from the FSSP Rome to the last two posts on this blog 1 which I sent them.
 The FSSP were allowed to offer the Traditional Latin Mass under Summorum Pontificum but were not permitted to proclaim traditional Catholic doctrine on family catechesis, in the preparation of First Communicants and for religious education. So they teach new doctrines.
This change in Church teaching ( Catechesis / religious education) was approved and implemented  world wide by Cardinal Ratzinger, with the cooperation of Vatican congregations.
 
Fr. Joseph Kramer, the Pastor of the FSSP Church in Rome, Santissima dei Pelligrini and the FSSP priests, like the liberals and leftists, will not say that the ecclesiology of extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II has not changed, since we do not and cannot know, of any exception to the dogma.
Instead here are the three irrational points FSSP priests use to interpret Magisterial documents.
1.Someone in the past is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus on March 25,2015.



2.Someone living will be an exception to the strict interpretation of the dogma today since he will be saved without faith and baptism.As if this can be known!
3.Someone in Heaven is an exception to the dogma on earth.As if we can see people in Heaven.
So they are unable to answer these TWO QUESTIONS:

TWO QUESTIONS
1) Do we personally know the dead now saved in invincible ignorance, a good conscience (LG 16) etc,can we see them, are they physically visible to us in 2014 ?



2) Since we do not know any of these cases, in real life, they are not visible for us, there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla, or Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II  which states 'all' need 'faith and baptism' for salvation ?


If they answer these questions honestly Vatican Council II and extra ecclesiam nulla salus are Traditional. Ecclesiology is still exclusivist.
That we can see the dead saved without the baptism of water who are now in Heaven is an irrational premise to use in any reasoning. They must inform lay Catholics about this. They must correct this error in family catechesis and adult education.
That there is known salvation outside the Church of persons saved without faith and baptism, was the irrational premise used to change Church ecclesiology. It has been accepted by the FSSP and the Left.
So magisterial documents assume there is known salvation outside the Church and every one no longer needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. The FSSP condones this error.
 Redemptoris Missio, Dominus Iesus, Catechism of the Catholic Church 1257 ..... all carry the following errors :
1) They infer that there are non Catholics in Heaven saved without 'faith and baptism'.
2) These persons are known to us on earth.They are personally known to become explicit exceptions to the traditional, exclusivist ecclesiology.
3) Since they are personally known, there are living exceptions to all needing to convert into the Church for salvation.
This is the 'new ecclesiology' that the FSSP pastor goes along with.
Here is the pattern again:
1.False, irrational premise/proposition.
2.Irrational, non traditional conclusion.
3.Ecclesiology has changed. A new theology is presented based on the false premise/proposition.
The irrational premise on which the new ecclesiology is settled is : in the present times ( 2015) non Catholics are known who are in Heaven without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.
So the  irrational inference which makes up the new ecclesiology  is : there is salvation outside the Church.
Conclusion: the dogma on salvation and Tradtion in general are contradicted.
This is attributed to Vatican Council II when it really should be attributed to the premise and inference.
With the FSSP approved irrational premise and inference, Cardinal Walter Kaspar wants a change in doctrine at the Synod on the Family 2015 .No FSSP priest can write or talk about it.They are already teaching these errors in  family catechesis.
For the FSSP and the magisterium there are 'elements of ecclesiality beyond the institutional boundaries of the Church' 2 and these known elements  include persons saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (without the baptism of water).These cases are personally known to all for them to be exceptions to Tradition, the Syllabus of Errors, extra ecclesiam nulla salus etc. So we have the Traditional Latin Mass without Tradition in Rome.
The irrationality accepted by the FSSP  is to be adapted theologically to the Synod on the Family 2015. Pope Francis referred to the Synod today Wednesday during the morning audience .
Couldn’t some elements of sacramental marriage also be recognized in civil marriages in certain cases?-Cardinal Kaspar.
 Lay Catholics in general do not know theology and FSSP priests  are keeping silent for whatever reason.No FSSP priest has told Cardinal Kasper that there are no known salvific  'elements of  sanctification and truth'(LG 8) known outside the Church. We cannot say that any non Catholic will be saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.
 To be an FSSP  priest in Rome they have to hide the truth in family catechesis, and religious education.They allow lay Catholics  to accept an irrational ecclesiology.This irrational ecclesiology is expected to be used at the Synod in October 3 and the FSSP are preparing people for it, with their silence and wrong catechesis.
No FSSP priest is willing to affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus without the irrational premise and inference. So they are not going to affirm Vatican Council II in line with the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.It keeps life comfortable.Lay Catholics do not know about the scam.
-Lionel Andrades
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March 21, 2015
No denial from FSSP

FSSP priests in Rome not allowed to affirm Vatican Council II, extra ecclesiam nulla salus without three irrational points: no denial from religious community
 
 
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Hand picked Jesuits are somewhere out there writing their thesis on how elements of sacramental marriage can be recognised in civil and adulterous unions since there is salvation outside the Church