Monday, April 27, 2015

Vocations to the religous life have to accept an irrationality in the Catechism of the Catholic Church

There were prayers for Vocations yesterday Sunday at Mass in Italian.
Of course those who choose the religious life in the Catholic Church would have to accept the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846,1257).
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: 
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are "reborn of water and the Spirit." God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
In a previous blog post I mentioned that an irrationality is being taught in the Catechism of the Catholic Church ( 846,1257).However you may interpret the Catechism or Vatican Council II, an objective error, is still being taught in catechism class in schools.
that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
This implies that there is no rigorist interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since there are known exceptions. The baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is a known exception. This is false and irrational.

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people ? There are no such known cases in 2015. So they are irrelevant to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.

 but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
Why since there are known exceptions to the dogma?

Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
Who are these people? They are zero cases for us in April 2015.So why mention it ? Is it being inferred that these are known exceptions to the dogma?

Michael Voris says all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church(See video Do Non Catholics Go to Hell?). This is the new theology which accomodates the Marchetti error i.e the dead now saved in Heaven are visible to us on earth. So those who are saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to visible cases. So they are visible exceptions. They become exceptions, it is reasoned, to the traditional teaching on exclusive salavtion in the Church. This was the error implied in the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (Outside the Church No Salvation).The new theology accomodates visible exceptions to the dogma. The new theology replaces the traditional exclusivist theology.
Also when Michael Voris says God is not limited to the Sacraments, after the Resurrection of Jesus, he again uses new theology.It accomodates Cardinal Marchetti's factual error. This is the dead man walking theology.The dogma says God is limited to the Sacraments.So how would those who wrote the Catechism (1992) know of an exception to the dogma.With the visible-dead theory of course!
Catholic students in catechesis and religion class are taught this objective error.They affirm the dead man walking and visible theory. This is accepted by Michael Voris.Since he has accepted the new theology based on the irrational premise and inference.

The children are taught :-

1. We human beings can physically see the dead in Heaven.

2. We can know someone in Heaven in the present times who is there without 'faith and baptism'.

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger  could not physically see any exception in Heaven when he wrote the Catechism.Today  school children have to infer that there are exceptions to the dogma or that there can be exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Even those with a vocation to the religious life have to proclaim this irrationality. It is common sense that there cannot be exceptions.Yet a young girl with a vocation to the religious life would be rejected in Detroit, if she did not say that there were exceptions, known to her, to the rigorist interpretation of the dogma.-Lionel Andrades

Why should Catholic students in schools be taught all this irrationality and heresy?

There are usually 2 practical extremes that are wrong. Feenyism which says that it is impossible for non-Catholics to be saved, the bad EENS interpretation.
Why is Feeneyism wrong, the text of the dogma says exactly what Fr.Leonard Feeney said.
Why is Feeneyism wrong when Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) says all need faith and baptism for salvation?. This is exactly what Fr.Feeney said.
Why is Cushingism not wrong for you when you do not know any one saved without 'faith and baptism'?
Why is Cushingism not wrong for you when you personally do not know any one saved with the baptism of desire and in inculpable ignorance and without the baptism of water?
Why is the Catechism of the Catholic Church (846,1257) not wrong for you when it suggests there are known exceptions to the traditional and rigorist interpretation of the dogma?
When you personally do not know of any exceptions and no Church document before 1949 ( Mystici Corporis, Council of Trent) mentions any exceptions, did not the 'magisterium' in CCC 846,1257 make a factual mistake ?
Why should Catholic students in schools be taught all this irrationality and heresy?
-Lionel Andrades

Notes on Hell -Ann Barnhardt


Didn't Jesus teach about hell?

Preached graphic depictions of hell

Everyone knows that “fire and brimstone” preaching is ineffective and, in any case, antithetical to the spirit of the Gospel of love, right?
Then why did Jesus preach about hell so much?
Jesus gave horrifying descriptions of the place. Throughout the Gospels we find that Jesus describes hell as a place of “weeping and gnashing of teeth,” a place where “the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched,” a “blazing furnace,” “darkness,” “unquenchable fire,” and “the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” (Several of these descriptions he repeats several times.)
And he constantly warns people from doing things that would get them sent there. So maybe preaching about hell isn’t so bad?
from Spirit Daily


It contains in it, after the Preparatory Prayer and two Preludes, five Points and one Colloquy:
Prayer. Let the Preparatory Prayer be the usual one.
First Prelude. The first Prelude is the composition, which is here to see with the sight of the imagination the length, breadth and depth of Hell.
Second Prelude. The second, to ask for what I want: it will be here to ask for interior sense of the pain which the damned suffer, in order that, if, through my faults, I should forget the love of the Eternal Lord, at least the fear of the pains may help me not to come into sin.
First Point. The first Point will be to see with the sight of the imagination the great fires, and the souls as in bodies of fire.
Second Point. The second, to hear with the ears wailings, howlings, cries, blasphemies against Christ our Lord and against all His Saints.
Third Point. The third, to smell with the smell smoke, sulphur, dregs and putrid things.
Fourth Point. The fourth, to taste with the taste bitter things, like tears, sadness and the worm of conscience.
Fifth Point. The fifth, to touch with the touch; that is to say, how the fires touch and burn the souls.
Colloquy. Making a Colloquy to Christ our Lord, I will bring to memory the souls that are in Hell, some because they did not believe the Coming, others because, believing, they did not act according to His Commandments; making three divisions...
- The Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius of Loyola, [1914]


A young Korean artist taken to Hell. Drew pictures of it.

The entrance it seems to me was similar to a very long and narrow alleyway, like an oven, low and dark and confined; the floor seemed to me to consist of dirty, muddy water emitting foul stench and swarming with putrid vermin...The bodily pains were so unbearable that though I had suffered excruciating ones in this life and according to what doctors say, the worst that can be suffered on earth for all my nerves were shrunken when I was paralyzed, plus many other sufferings of many kinds that I endured and even some as I said, caused by the devil, these were all nothing in comparison with the ones I experienced there...-St.Teresa of Avila's description of Hell.


These are the Tortures suffered by all the damned together, but that is not the end of the sufferings.

There are special Tortures destined for particular souls. These are the torments of the senses. Each soul undergoes terrible and indescribable sufferings related to the manner in which it has sinned.
I would have died
There are caverns and pits of torture where one form of agony differs from another. I would have died at the very sight of these tortures if the omnipotence of God had not supported me...-St.Faustina Kowalska's description of Hell.

"Then I was pushed into one of those fiery cavities and pressed, as it were, between burning planks, and sharp nails and red-hot irons seemed to be piercing my flesh."

Here Josefa repeated the multiple tortures from which no single member of the body is excluded:

"I felt as if they were endeavoring to pull out my tongue, but could not. This torture reduced me to such agony that my very eyes seemed to be starting out of their sockets. I think this was because of the fire which burns, burns... not a finger-nail escapes terrifying torments, and all the time one cannot move even a finger to gain some relief, nor change posture, for the body seems flattened out and yet doubled in two.- Sr.Joseph Menendez's description of Hell.

There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores,
Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man' s table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham' s bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented.

And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father' s house, for I have five brethren, That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. -Luke :19-31, The Rich Man (Dives) and Lazarus.
Second Circle (Lust)

Gianciotto Discovers Paolo and Francesca
In the second circle of Hell are those overcome by lust. Dante condemns these "carnal malefactors"[ for letting their appetites sway their reason. They are the first ones to be truly punished in Hell. These souls are blown back and forth by the terrible winds of a violent storm, without rest. This symbolizes the power of lust to blow one about needlessly and aimlessly.
In this circle, Dante sees
Semiramis, Dido, Cleopatra, Helen of Troy, Achilles, Paris, Tristan, and many others who were overcome by sexual love during their life. Dante is told by Francesca da Rimini how she and her husband's brother Paolo Malatesta committed adultery, but then died a violent death, in the name of Love, at the hands of her husband, Giovanni (Gianciotto). Francesca reports that their act of adultery was triggered by reading the adulterous story of Lancelot and Guinevere (an episode sculpted by Auguste Rodin in The Kiss). Nevertheless, she predicts that her husband will be punished for his fratricide in Caïna, within the ninth circle (Canto V).
Alse see Dante's experience in Hell in The Divine Comedy( Inferno)._______________________________________