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The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases and so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.

 

Since the rational and Magisterial interpretation of the Catholic Church is ‘the red is not an exception to the blue’, the Church is saying, today, as in the past that other religions are not paths to salvation (AG 7 etc). So for the Catholic Church, Jews and Muslims, are oriented to Hell without ‘faith and baptism’ (AG 7) and they need to enter the Church as members (LG 16 etc) before they die.

It is the orthodox passages, marked in blue, in Vatican Council II, which are Feeneyite on extra ecclesiam nulla salus while the ‘hypothetical passages’ marked in red, in the Council-text, do not contradict the blue passages, they are not practical and objective exceptions in 1965-2023.

 So Vatican Council II has a hermeneutic of continuity with the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), on EENS, an ecumenism of return of the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X on other religioins not being means of salvation.

The orthodox passages in blue support the past exclusivist ecclesiololgy, while the hypothetical passages in red, refer to physically invisible cases  so they do not contradict Tradition. This was perhaps not known to Fr. Leonard Feeney, Brother Francis Malus micm, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the SSPX bishops and Pope Paul VI.

-Lionel Andrades

SO THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS IN MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS TO THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION, AN ECUMENISM OF RETURN AND AN ECCLESIOLOGY WHICH SUPPORTS EXCLUSIVE SALVATION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. NO MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENT CONTRADICTS TRADITIONAL EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS.  ARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.COM/2023/09/INTENTIONALLY-FSCIRE-AND-EUROPEAN-UNION.HTML 

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

 Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it." Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him...- Ad Gentes 7. Vatican Council II

 THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

14. This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.
They are fully incorporated in the society of the Church who, possessing the Spirit of Christ accept her entire system and all the means of salvation given to her, and are united with her as part of her visible bodily structure and through her with Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. The bonds which bind men to the Church in a visible way are profession of faith, the sacraments, and ecclesiastical government and communion. He is not saved, however, who, though part of the body of the Church, does not persevere in charity. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but, as it were, only in a "bodily" manner and not "in his heart."(12*) All the Church's children should remember that their exalted status is to be attributed not to their own merits but to the special grace of Christ. If they fail moreover to respond to that grace in thought, word and deed, not only shall they not be saved but they will be the more severely judged.(13*)
Catechumens who, moved by the Holy Spirit, seek with explicit intention to be incorporated into the Church are by that very intention joined with her. With love and solicitude Mother Church already embraces them as her own.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

 Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II 

It follows that the separated Churches(23) and Communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

Nevertheless, our separated brethren, whether considered as individuals or as Communities and Churches, are not blessed with that unity which Jesus Christ wished to bestow on all those who through Him were born again into one body, and with Him quickened to newness of life - that unity which the Holy Scriptures and the ancient Tradition of the Church proclaim. For it is only through Christ's Catholic Church, which is "the all-embracing means of salvation," that they can benefit fully from the means of salvation. We believe that Our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, in order to establish the one Body of Christ on earth to which all should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the people of God. This people of God, though still in its members liable to sin, is ever growing in Christ during its pilgrimage on earth, and is guided by God's gentle wisdom, according to His hidden designs, until it shall happily arrive at the fullness of eternal glory in the heavenly Jerusalem.-Unitatis Redintigratio (Decree on Ecumenism), Vatican Council II

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

 Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 
 "Outside the Church there is no salvation"  846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:  

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."
-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846-848 

THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

 DOMINUS IESUS 

IV. UNICITY AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

16.  The Lord Jesus, the only Saviour, did not only establish a simple community of disciples, but constituted the Church as a salvific mystery: he himself is in the Church and the Church is in him (cf. Jn 15:1ff.; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:15-16; Acts 9:5).  Therefore, the fullness of Christ's salvific mystery belongs also to the Church, inseparably united to her Lord. Indeed, Jesus Christ continues his presence and his work of salvation in the Church and by means of the Church (cf. Col 1:24-27),⁴⁷ which is his body (cf. 1 Cor 12:12-13, 27; Col 1:18).⁴⁸ And thus, just as the head and members of a living body, though not identical, are inseparable, so too Christ and the Church can neither be confused nor separated, and constitute a single “whole Christ”.⁴⁹ This same inseparability is also expressed in the New Testament by the analogy of the Church as the Bride of Christ (cf. 2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-29; Rev 21:2,9).⁵⁰

Therefore, in connection with the unicity and universality of the salvific mediation of Jesus Christ, the unicity of the Church founded by him must be firmly believed as a truth of Catholic faith. Just as there is one Christ, so there exists a single body of Christ, a single Bride of Christ: “a single Catholic and apostolic Church”.⁵¹ Furthermore, the promises of the Lord that he would not abandon his Church (cf. Mt 16:18; 28:20) and that he would guide her by his Spirit (cf. Jn16:13) mean, according to Catholic faith, that the unicity and the unity of the Church — like everything that belongs to the Church's integrity — will never be lacking.⁵²

The Catholic faithful are required to profess that there is an historical continuity — rooted in the apostolic succession⁵³— between the Church founded by Christ and the Catholic Church: “This is the single Church of Christ... which our Saviour, after his resurrection, entrusted to Peter's pastoral care (cf. Jn 21:17), commissioning him and the other Apostles to extend and rule her (cf. Mt 28:18ff.), erected for all ages as ‘the pillar and mainstay of the truth' (1 Tim3:15). This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in [subsistit in] the Catholic Church, governed by the Successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him”.⁵⁴  With the expressionsubsistit in, the Second Vatican Council sought to harmonize two doctrinal statements: on the one hand, that the Church of Christ, despite the divisions which exist among Christians, continues to exist fully only in the Catholic Church, and on the other hand, that “outside of her structure, many elements can be found of sanctification and truth”,⁵⁵ that is, in those Churches and ecclesial communities which are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church.⁵⁶ But with respect to these, it needs to be stated that “they derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”

-Dominus Iesus 16. 

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THE RED IS NOT AN EXCEPTION FOR THE BLUE

LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 DURING THE PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XII

( This letter was  an inter office correspondence between cardinals. However the liberals placed it in the Denzinger and it has been referenced in Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It contains an objective error when it assumes invisible and unknown cases of the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Upon this Letter is based the New Theology.)

 We are bound by divine and Catholic faith to believe all those  things which are contained in the word of God, whether it be Scripture or Tradition, and are proposed by the Church to be believed as divinely revealed, not only through solemnjudgment but also through the ordinary and universal teaching office (, n. 1792).
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there
 is no salvation outside the Church.
However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church...

Now, among the commandments of Christ, that one holds not the least place by which we are commanded to be incorporated by baptism into the Mystical Body of Christ, 
which is the Church, and to remain united to Christ and to His Vicar, through whom He Himself in a visible manner governs the Church on earth...

Therefore, no one will be saved who, knowing the Church to have been divinely established by Christ, nevertheless  refuses to submit to the Church or withholds obedience from the Roman Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ on earth.
Not only did the Savior command that all nations should  enter the Church, but He also decreed the Church to be a means of salvation without which no one can enter the kingdom of eternal glory.
In His infinite mercy God has willed that the effects,necessary for one to be saved, of those helps to salvation which are directed toward man's final end, not by intrinsic
 necessity, but only by divine institution, can also be obtained in certain circumstances when those helps are used only in desire and longing. This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent, both in reference to the sacrament of regeneration and in reference to the sacrament of penance (, nn. 797, 807).

  Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing.
However, this desire need not always be explicit,as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God.

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SEPTEMBER 23, 2023

Ursula von der Leyden who has been accused of plagiarism in the past is now interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically and there is no denial from Alberto Melloni, Secretary of the FSCIRE (Bologna School) and neither from the Cardinal-Archbishop of Bologna, Matteo Zuppi

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/ursula-von-leyden-who-has-been-accused.html

SEPTEMBER 21, 2023

Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Union and Alberto Melloni, Director of the FSCIRE are still interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally. This is unethical.It is deceptive.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/ursula-von-de-leyen-president-of.html

SEPTEMBER 17, 2023

Alberto Melloni (FSCIRE- Bologna School) and Ursula Von Leyden in this video are interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally and unethically

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/alberto-melloni-fscire-bologna-school.html

SEPTEMBER 13, 2023

All the books on Vatican Council II written by Alberto Melloni, of the FSCIRE and those published by the SSPX’s Angelus Press, are authored with the irrational and not rational premise. There is no denial from the FSCIRE or the SSPX.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/all-books-on-vatican-council-ii-written.html

SEPTEMBER 24, 2023

Intentionally the FSCIRE and the European Union choose a false premise and inference. This is even after they are informed.

 Euractiv Italia | EURACTIV Italia

 13 lug 2023

 Professor Alberto Melloni, membro della Fondazione per le scienze religiose

 Giovanni XXIII (FSCIRE) e European Commission Chief scientific advisor,

 interviene sulle sfide e le opportunità tra religione e Unione Europea in 

occasione del dibattito organizzato 

il 9 maggio per la festa dell’Europa.

Alberto Melloni and the FSCIRE correspondents and staff agree with me. The FSCIRE and the European Union have been interpreting Vatican Council II irrationally i.e. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, do not refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 1965-2023 for them. They are physically visible cases. Only in this way they can be made exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). So for the FSCIRE and EU , LG 8,14,15,16 etc, are objective examples of salvation outside the Church and are  practical exceptions for the dogma EENS. This is irrational and it is their mistake.There are no denials or clarifications from the FSCIRE. For me LG 8 etc refer to invisible cases. This is common sense. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma EENS, for me.

The FSCIRE and the European Union have all these years interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Church. This was their false premise. So they inferred that these cases were practical exceptions for the dogma EENS, which had become obsolete. This was their irrational premise and inference.It was irrational and unscientific.

For me LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, GS 22 etc, refer to hypothetical cases only. They cannot be physically visible in 1965-2023.If anyone is saved outside the Catholic Church it could only be known to God. We cannot say that any particular person has been saved or will be saved with the baptism of desire (LG 14) and invincible ignorance (I.I). No one saw St. Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.

So for me, Vatican Council II does not mention any exceptions for the dogma EENS and the Athanasius Creed, which says all need the Catholic faith for salvation. Vatican Council II has the hermeneutic of continuity with the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechisms of Pope Pius X and Trent. The Councils supports the past exclusivist ecclesiology. There is no rupture with the ecclesiocentrism of the missionaries of the 16^th century.

The interpretation of Vatican Council II by the FSCIRE (Bologna School) is now obsolete.It is political.It is not Catholic. It is unethical. Since intentionally the FSCIRE chooses a false premise and inference. This is even after they are informed.

Vatican Council II has to be interpreted only rationally and so there cannot be a New Theology, New Ecumenism, New Ecclesiology, New Evangelization and New Canon Law. Since this New Theology is based upon Vatican Council II interpreted irrationally and this is dishonest. The New Theology separates Jesus from the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation.It does this with alleged exceptions for EENS. 

But now we know that the Council no more has exceptions for the dogma EENS. So there no more is a separation (  when speaking about salvation) between Jesus and the Catholic Church. Membership in the Catholic Church is needed for salvation.It is not enough to believe in Jesus, according to the Christian denonominations.

So how can Alberto Melloni and the European Union, with their books, articles and reports on Vatican Council II, project the Council as a break with Tradition and then give the green light for liberalism, like homosexual unions?

Vatican Council II is no more ‘a revolution’ in the Church but a continuation with Tradition. The Ratzinger liberal theology made a mistake. It had its foundation upon the error in the 1949 Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston. This Letter, projected invisible cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance, as being visible exceptions for Feeneyite EENS. This remained the error of the popes from Pius XII to Francis and the European Union and Alberto Melloni follow it. All the reports and videos on the Vatican website follow this mistake.This is being tacitly acknowledged by Alberto Melloni.  - Lionel Andrades

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/09/intentionally-fscire-and-european-union.html

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 OCTOBER 21, 2023

The Lionel Andrades Discovery on Vatican Council II is simple

 

The Lionel Andrades Discovery on Vatican Council II is simple

It’s just this: LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc always refer to hypothetical cases only. They are always physically invisible in 1965-2023. We cannot meet anyone saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16) or with the baptism of desire (LG 14). If anyone was saved as such it would only be known to God.

This changes the interpretation of Vatican Council II. Ecclesiology changes. The Church returns to the past. We are back to the past ecclesiocentrism of the Middle Ages. Since speculative and theoretical cases of LG 8, 14, 15 16 etc, cannot be objective examples of salvation in the present times (2023). They are not practical exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24 Q, 27Q).

So we have the hermeneutic of continuity with the past exclusivist ecclesiology upon which was based traditional faith, morals and mission.

This is a rational and ethical interpretation of Vatican Council II and the only option the popes, cardinals and bishops now have.

When Alberto Melloni of the FSCIRE ( Bologna School), the professor-priests at the Biblicum, Gregorian, Angelicum and John Lateran Universities interpret LG 8,14, 15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, rationally, they automatically affirm the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS. This is irrespective if they want to or not want to affirm Feeneyite EENS.

My Parish Priest Fr. Paulo Boumis, at the church San Agapito near Largo Preneste, Rome, the Missionaries of Charity of Mother Teresa-priests, the Auxiliary bishops of Rome and the theologians at the Ecclesia Mater, Rome Vicariate, agree with me. LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, are always invisible in the present times. This is something obvious said Fr. Aldo Rossi, a former Prior at the SSPX, District Albano, Italy. - Lionel Andrades

MARCH 12, 2023

All the parish priests and religious sisters can teach the children at First Communion classes that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church : Pope Francis has only to make one announcement. Vocations to the religious life will be accepted only from those Catholics who affirm exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. Cardinals at the Conclave will be restricted

 

So all the parish priests and religious sisters can teach the children at First Communion classes that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.

Vocations to the religious life will be accepted only from those Catholics who affirm there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and who interpret Vatican Council II rationally i.e. invisible people are not visible in 2023.

 

Only those cardinals will be allowed to participate in the Conclave, who are honest and do not confuse implicit cases of Lumen Gentium 14 etc, as being explicit. They are traditionalists.

The Catholic and non Catholic  judges of the secular and ecclesiastical courts will choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally and the Ministry of Education  will know that there is only one option for students- the honest one.

The liberal-traditionalist division in the Church ends since there is no more a liberal theology. The false premise and inference is not there anymore.- Lionel Andrades

MARCH 12, 2023

A New Discovery : Pope Francis, the CDF has only to announce that LG 8, LG 14. LG 16. UR 3. NA 2, GS 22 etc refer to hypothetical and invisible cases in 2023. Things then fall into place. The Church returns to Tradition.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/a-new-discovery-pope-francis-cdf-has.html

MARCH 2, 2023

We have a new discovery in the Catholic Church

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/we-have-new-discovery-in-catholic-church.html

FEBRUARY 28, 2023

" We have a discovery in the Catholic Church, my dear Watson...We have found the Missing Link"

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/02/we-have-discovery-in-catholic-church-my.html

FEBRUARY 27, 2023

Pope Francis simply has to interpret the BOD, BOB and I.I as not being exceptions to EENS : heresy and sacrilege end (Graphics )

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/02/pope-francis-simply-has-to-interpret.html

MARCH 6, 2023

It is like watering the roots of a plant or tree. With one simple step, one action, the whole tree is nourished-branches, leaves, roots etc.In the same way by choosing the rational premise we return to the past in faith and morals, liturgy,. mission, ecclesiology etc

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/it-is-like-watering-roots-of-plant-or.html

MARCH 9, 2023

The Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican tribunal must not allow cardinals to participate in the next conclave who interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally.

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2023/03/the-apostolic-signatura-vatican.html

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SEPTEMBER 9, 2023

The discovery

 

The discovery

We have a discovery today. It’s ‘a small point’ but this small point turns the Council around. From liberalism the Council returns to Tradition. So by ignoring this small point, we have liberalism in the Church. This small point, is the premise: the rational and irrational premise. It decides if Vatican Council II has a continuity or break with Tradition. This is the discovery. We now have a switch. We can turn it off or on. We can choose a continuity with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors or a rupture with Tradition.   -Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades

former Staff Reporter, daily Morning News, Karachi, Pakistan.

Recipient of the All Pakistan Newspaper Society (APNS) Best Reporter of the Year Award, presented by the Prime Minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto.

Recipient of the Pakistan Government's Award for Literature ( Childrens stories).

Teacher of English and Church History at the Catholic Minor Seminary, Rawalpindi.                                                                                          

 

                                                            Bishop Anthony Lobo

Sent to Rome for Ministerial Priesthood by Bishop Anthony Lobo, bishop of Rawalpindi-Islamabad, Pakistan.

He is discriminated against by the pontifical universities and seminaries in Rome.He interprets Vatican Council II rationally and not irrationally. So there is a continuity with Tradition. He is not allowed to study at pontifical universities in  Rome,  where it is obligatory to interpret Magisterial Documents, irrationally and unethically.Catholic students and seminarians are discriminated against. 

The seminarians of the Society of St. Pius X, Albano, are allowed to study at the pontifical universities in Rome since they interpret Vatican Council II irrationally and not rationally and this is approved by the Left.

Propaganda Fide only gives schorlarship for all students/ seminarians who are approved by a bishop, who does not interpret Vatican Council II, rationally and expects seminarians to do the same.

However we have a new discovery in the Catholic Church. There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.How can the Holy Spirit make an objective mistake ? So it is human error and not the Magisterium.

 Vatican Council II is dogmatic and not only pastoral, when it is interpreted rationally i.e LG 8,14,15,16,UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II refer to only hypothetical cases. So they are not objective examples of salvation. They are not objective exceptions for the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Athanasius Creed.

It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms. There can be two interpretations.Catholics must choose the rational option.The Creeds must not be changed.

Why should Catholics choose an irrational version of the Creeds, Catechisms and Councils, which is heretical, non-traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional?

It is unethical when the popes, cardinals and bishops choose the Irrational Premise to interpret Vatican Council II and other Magisterial Documents and call it Catholic.

Rahner, Ratzinger, Congar, Murray, Balthazar, Kung, Lefebvre and Paul VI interpreted Vatican Council II irrationally. The popes from Paul VI to Francis did the same. We can today choose to interpret the Council rationally and in harmony with Tradition.

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HEART OF THE MATTER

1.If Vatican Council II is a rupture with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, refer to visible examples of salvation outside the Church. So they are exceptions for EENS etc.

2. If Vatican Council II is not a break with the dogma EENS then it means that LG 8, 14, 15, 16 etc refer to invisible cases. They are not visible examples of salvation outside the Church in 1965-2023. Invisible cases cannot be practical exceptions for me.So there is nothing in the text of Vatican Council II to contradict Feeneyite EENS.

A. Similarly if the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to physically visible cases, of salvation outside the Church in 1949-2023, then this is Cushingism. It is irrational. There is a break with the dogma EENS and the ecumenism of return.The Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q,27Q-outside the Church there is no salvation), has exceptions. There is a break with Tradition.

B. But if BOD, BOB and I.I refer to invisible cases, then they do not contradict EENS, the Athanasius Creed, the ecumenism of return and the Catechism of Pope Pius X(24Q,27Q).There is no rupture with Tradition.

• When what is invisible is considered invisible, I call it Feeneyism.
• When what is invisible is considered visible, I call it a Cushingism.

We can interpret Vatican Council II with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

We can interpret BOD, BOB and I.I with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

So we can interpret the Nicene, Apostles and Athanasius Creed with Feeneyism or Cushingism. When these Creeds refer to BOD, BOB and I.I they can be Feeneyite or Cushingite. For example, (Nicene Creed-I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin ( and not three known baptisms). 

The Apostles Creed  (the Holy Spirit guides the  Holy Catholic Church  to say outside the Church there is no salvation and not outside the Church there is known salvation.

All need Catholic faith for salvation (Athanasius Creed).This is Feeneyism. But if it is said all need Catholic faith for salvation with some known exceptions then this is Cushingism.

The only holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (Four Marks, Nicene Creed) in the past taught that outside the Church there is no salvation. What it teaches today depends upon you -if you are a Feeneyite or Cushingite.

In the same way there can two interpretations of Vatican Council II (LG 8,14,15,16 etc). It depends upon how you interpret LG 8 etc, with Feeneyism or Cushingism.

-Lionel Andrades