Tuesday, March 8, 2016

Louie Verrecchio confusion

Ferrara v Shea
Louie Verrecchio:
When our churchmen are no longer willing to proclaim the Social Kingship of Christ, not just by way of mere inference, but loudly, clearly and unambiguously such as it is expressed in the Encyclical of Pope Pius XI, Quas Primas, then there can be no doubt whatsoever that they have effectively abandoned the Divine Commission.
https://akacatholic.com/aotm-debate-shea-vs-ferrara/

Lionel: Why should they proclaim the Social Kingship of Christ when the Vatican and Louie Verrecchio assume there is known salvation outside the Church. If someone was saved without the baptism of water and this was personally known on earth, then why does every one need to proclaim the Social Kingship of Christ ? There is salvation outside the Church.So not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Catholic Church.There are people going to Heaven who follow different religions and different political systems which exclude believing in Jesus in the Catholic Church.Verrecchio assumes there is known salvation outside the Church.
I affirm the Social Kingship of Christ since I accept the traditional strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) with no known exceptions. So every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church for me.All political legislation needs to have Jesus as taught and known in the Catholic Church, as its center since it is important that every is saved from going to Hell.
The baptism of desire etc refer to hypothetical cases for me. So  they cannot contradict the dogma EENS for me.There are no exceptions outside the Church. There are no physically visible exceptions to EENS.
-Lionel Andrades

St.Benedict Centers offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the Cushingite ecclesiology

a group of about 30 sisters and 10 brothers...who have reconciled with the Catholic Church and celebrate the traditional Mass and Sacraments and lead traditional lives in union with the Pope.
Lionel: They offer the Traditional Latin Mass with the new ecclesiology based on there being exceptions to the dogma EENS.
They interpret the dogma EENS saying there are no known exceptions.However they interpret Vatican Council II, with LG 16 etc being an exception to the dogma EENS.
So in other words they are saying there are known cases of persons saved in invincible ignorance(LG 16) and without the baptism of water who are exceptions to EENS and so they reject Vatican Council II.
The same with the SBC at Richmond, N.H.
They do not offer the TLM saying there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma EENS and LG 16 etc refer to invisible and not visible cases.
So it is the TLM with the new ecclesiology, the Cushingite ecclesiolgy, the irrational ecclesiology appreciated by the CDF and Pope Francis.-
Lionel Andrades



http://eponymousflower.blogspot.it/2016/03/help-saint-benedict-center-find-priest.html#comment-form



Tancred,
Would you agree with Archbishop Thomas E. Gullickson
Fr.S.Visintin osb and John Martignoni?
Would you say there are no physically known cases of persons now in Heaven saved without the baptism of water?
You cannot see in the flesh, people who are now in Heaven and are allegedly saved without the baptism of water?
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Similarly this year you do not know of any one saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church?
You cannot see them in Heaven or meet them on earth?
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You do not pèrsonally know of any one saved with the baptism of desire or blood and without the baptism of water during your life time?

You also do not know of any one who will be saved in invincible ignorance and without the baptism of water?

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So for you Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) would refer to an invisble case ?
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Similarly there was no one in 1949 Boston who could have personally known of someone saved with the baptism of desire and without the baptism of water?

No one could have seen or met someone who was a living exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) ?


So does LG 16 refer to an exception to the Feeneyite interpretation of EENS for you?
-Lionel