Saturday, February 17, 2024
Vatican Council II text is being ‘cleaned up’ on the Interrnet
Vatican Council II text is being ‘cleaned up’
The text of Vatican Council II, Nostra Aetate has been ‘cleaned up’ by
the right people, or rather, the ‘left-people’. Controversial lines are being removed.
It is the same Dominus Iesus of Pope John Paul II.
In the original text of Nostra Aetate it was stated that the Church was
the new people of God. This sentence has been removed.
The Catholic Church is a continuation of the Jewish religion and
Catholics are the new people of God, the new Chosen People, the elect. They
have the promised the Jewish Messiah promised by the Jewish prophets.
Sometime back, I checked Dominus Iesus, in English on the Internet. I
could not find the line which said other religions have superstition, deficiencies
and error.
I still remember that line since I quoted it often on my blog. It was
the same with Nostra Aetate 4.
There are people who read this blog!
- Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 16, 2024
Even the Muslims in the parish of Sant Agapito now interpret Vatican Council II rationally with the same conclusion
Every priest, catechist, altar server, choir member, scouts and lay person in the parish of Sant Agapito, Rome , when they interpret Vatican Council II rationally, are saying that all Muslims ( and other non Catholics) are oriented to Hell without ‘faith and baptism’(AG 7) and there are no known exceptions. This is the Magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church on Vatican Council II. It indicates that the prophet Mohammad is lost for all eternity. This is the conclusion in this parish near Termini, Roma, where the parish priest Fr. Paolo Boumis interprets LG 8, 14, 15, 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc, as being invisible and hypothetical cases in 2024.This is also how the Muslims and Jews who frequent the parish interpret the Council. It is common sense for all in the parish.
Catholics and non Catholics in this parish are saying outside the Church there is no salvation according to Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
According to Nostra Aetate 4, 'the Church is the new people of God', the Jews are the old people of God. They are no more the Chosen People. They have rejected the Messiah. Catholics are the Elect according to Nostra Aetate 4. In Heaven there are only Catholics. They are there with 'faith and baptism'. Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation is the message of Vatican Council II. Jews do not have faith and baptism and so are oriented to Hell unless they formally convert into the Catholic Church. This is the teaching of Vatican Council II which was not mentioned at the inter faith gathering commemorating Nostra Aetate and ignoring Ad Gentes.
Nostra Aetate does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 ( all need faith and baptism for salvation) in the following passage.
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. Indeed, she proclaims, and ever must proclaim Christ "the way, the truth, and the life" (John 14:6), in whom men may find the fullness of religious life, in whom God has reconciled all things to Himself.(4)- Nostra Aetate
Nostra Aetate recognizes the good things in other religions. The following passage also does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentium 14. LG 14 is cited in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church there is no salvation.
3. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting. – Nostra Aetate
The following passage also not contradict Vatican Council II saying there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is a continuation of the Jewish religion.
. As the sacred synod searches into the mystery of the Church, it remembers the bond that spiritually ties the people of the New Covenant to Abraham's stock.
Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy concluded the Ancient Covenant. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled Jews and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)
The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.- Nostra Aetate
Nostra Aetate also does not have any exceptions for the Catechism of Pope Pius X (24Q, 27Q).
So when I say outside the Church there is no salvation I am following the whole parish when they interpret Vatican Council II and other Church documents rationally.
All the Catholic religious communities in the parish and diocese, would be saying according to Vatican Council II that Islamism, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc are not paths to salvation. Since according to Vatican Council II there is salvation in only the Catholic Church (Ad Gentes 7) and this is the norm for salvation which is not contradicted by any passage in the Council .
Other religions are not paths to salvation since their members die without Catholic faith and the baptism of water ( AG 7, LG 14).Membership in the Catholic Church is necessary for salvation ( AG 7, LG 14, CCC 845,846 etc).
Even Muslims in the parish of Sant Agapito, who frequent the church, will reach the same conclusion, when Vatican Council II is interpreted rationally
The Catholic Church is saying today that outside the Church there is no salvation. This is not only a personal opinion, only, of mine.
Muslims and Catholics at Sant Agapito do not deny that LG 8,14,1,5,16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc in Vatican Council II, refer to only hypothetical cases. They do not refer to known people, seen in the flesh, who are saved outside the Church in 1965-2024. - Lionel Andrades
FEBRUARY 15, 2024
You can’t be a good Catholic and interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. You can’t intentionally interpret Vatican Council II irrationally. You cannot choose to project invisible cases of LG 8,14,15,16, UR 3 etc as being physically visible examples of salvation outside the Catholic Church in 2024 and then say Vatican Council II is a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) and the past exclusivist ecclesiology. Vatican Council II is not a break with Tradition when we interpret invisible cases as just being invisible. This is a great discovery. Outside the Catholic Church there is no known salvation.
JANUARY 19, 2016
Fr.Hoffman's political document is false : nowhere does Nostra Aetate say that Jews do not need to convert or that the Jews are still the Chosen People.
Video : https://youtu.be/AMVtF2O65fw
Church changes traditional de fide doctrine : Interview with Fr Norbert Hofmann SDB - NCRegister
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/01/interview-with-fr-norbert-hofmann-sdb.html
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Nostra Aetate does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus : doctrinal opening for the SSPXhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/05/nostra-aetate-does-not-contradict-extra.html
May 7, 2014
Nostra Aetate does not say that Non Catholics do not need to convert into the Catholoic Church - Fr.John Hunwickehttp://liturgicalnotes.blogspot.it/2014/01/nostra-aetate-1.html
Nostra Aetate does not state there are defacto, known cases saved in other religionshttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/04/nostra-aetate-does-not-state-there-are.html#links
Fr.James Martin S.J does not say the popes, the Bible and Jesus were anti-Semitic
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/fr.html
The International Theological Commission's position paper Christianity and the World Religions 1997 has an objective factual error and is approved by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger : invincible ignorance is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commissions.html#links
Monday, March 26, 2012
INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION ASSUMES ‘SEEDS OF THE WORD’ (VATICAN COUNCIL II ) IN OTHER RELIGIONS ARE KNOWN TO US AND THIS IS AN EXPLICIT EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/international-theological-commission.html#links
VATICAN'S INTERNATIONAL THEOLOGICAL COMMISSION MAKES AN ERROR IN ITS POSITION PAPER CHRISTIANITY AND THE WORLD RELIGIONS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/03/vaticans-international-theological.html#links
Wikipedia propaganda
MAY 20, 2023
Wikipedia's entry on Feeneyism is irrational and political. It is not Catholic. Neither is it ethical.It is supported by the popes and the CDF
MAY 19, 2023
Wikipedia's entry on Feeneyism is irrational and political. It is not Catholic. Neither is it ethical.
Wikipedia’s entry on Feneeyism is false. Feeneyites do not reject the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance. They instead interpret them as being hypothetical cases only. This is something obvious. They reject the baptism of desire etc as being an exception for extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Thoeretical cases of the baptism of desire are not objective exceptions, or relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS). They do not exist in our reality.
Fr. Leonard Feeney interpreted EENS with no exceptions and so did the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and the Council of Florence (1442) which defined EENS. These two Councils were ‘Feeneyite’.
Also for Feeneyites, Vatican Council II does not contradict the Athanasius Creed, the Syllabus of Errors or the dogma EENS. Since LG 8, 14 and 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc refer always, to only hypothetical cases.This is interpreting Vatican Council II rationally.It is not confusing, what is invisible as being physically visible and then making false inferences.This is what Wikipedia does . If someone is saved outside the Catholic Church it can only be known to God. The norm for salvation is Catholic faith and the baptism of water (AG 7, LG 14 etc).- Lionel Andrades
JUNE 13, 2017
Wikipedia is misleading on Catholic theology
Wikipedia is misleading on 'Salvation outside the church'. It interprets the subject with Cushingism instead of rational Feeneyism.
Salvation outside the church-Catholic Theology- WIKIPEDIA
"'Outside the Church there is no salvation'
Reformulated positively, this statement means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.
'Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men.'"[149]
SUBSISTENCE- ECCLESIOLOGY-WIKIPEDIA
SUBSISTENCE IS THE DOCTRINE THAT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST "SUBSISTS IN" THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THE DOCTRINE IS IN CONTINUITY WITH THE PREVIOUS PHRASING OF MYSTICI CORPORIS CHRISTI THAT THE CHURCH OF CHRIST "IS" (EST) THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, ALTHOUGH SOME THEOLOGIANS HAVE INTERPRETED THE PHRASE TO BE A RUPTURE WITH THE PREVIOUS TRADITION.
This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him, although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeneyism
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FR.LEONARD FEENEY -WIKIPEDIA
JULY 5, 2016
The ordinary magisterium has replaced the traditional Feeneyite theology with irrational and non traditional Cushingite theology :Wikipedia's errors on EENSAUGUST 3, 2015
Wikipedia and Most Holy Trinity,Florida sedevacantist seminary make the sameerror http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/wikipedia-and-most-holy-trinity-usa.html
Wikipedia implies that the baptism of desire and blood are explicit so are exceptions to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/08/wikipedia-implies-that-baptism-of.html
WIKIPEDIA SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND THE SSPX AND THE VATICAN DO NOT PROTEST
NOVEMBER 16, 2012
CATHOLIC TRADITIONALISTS DO NOT CHALLENGE THE ERRORS ON WIKIPEDIA SINCE THEY ASSUME VATICAN COUNCIL II CONTRADICTS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
HTTP://EUCHARISTANDMISSION.BLOGSPOT.IT/2012/11/CATHOLIC-TRADITIONALISTS-DO-NOT.HTML
JULY 11, 2012
FEENEYISM IS IN ACCORD WITH MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS
JULY 11, 2012
WIKIPEDIA TELLS CATHOLICS WHAT IS HERESY FOR THEM AND THE VATICAN NOR THE SSPX ISSUES A CORRECTION
JULY 10, 2012
Fr.Leonard Feeney, Wikipedia and Vatican Council II
SEPTEMBER 24, 2011
APPEAL TO CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, VATICAN: IT’S TIME TO CLARIFY THE BOSTON HERESY OF RICHARD CUSHING
SECULAR CATECHESIS FOR CATHOLICS : NO ONE OBJECTS IN THE MEDIAhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/08/secular-catechesis-for-catholics-no-one.html
JANUARY 31, 2011
THREE COMMON SENSE POINTS TO USE AGAINST PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE CHURCH - WIKIPEDIA AND FR.WILLIAM MOSThttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2011/01/three-common-sense-points-to-use.html
APRIL 23, 2010
THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION BETWEEN LUMEN GENTIUM VATICAN COUNCIL II AND FEENEYISM AS WIKIPEDIA ALLEGES
OCTOBER 1, 2009
WIKIPEDIA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS ENTRY FULL OF CONFUSION
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus