Wednesday, August 29, 2012

LEFTIST EWTN PUTS OUT A POST IN FAVOUR OF THE FSSP AND CRITICAL OF THE SSPX


EWTN like priests of the Priestly Fraternity if St.Peters (FSSP) in Rome will not affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus but they will assume that  the baptism of desire is known to us and an exception to the defined dogma.

This is the position of EWTN’s Bureau Chief in Rome and also the FSSP priests here.

EWTN has put out a critical piece on the SSPX who affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus while Colin B. Donovan, STL of the EWTN denies the dogma.

Similarly on EWTN Patrick Madrid and Peter Vere also deny the dogma by assuming that we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance.These cases are supposed to be exceptions to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney. Fr.Leonard Feeney is criticized for not acknowledging these ghosts.

EWTN cannot affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus in accord with Vatican Council II (AG 7) and the Syllabus of Errors. Instead it assumes that LG 16 contradicts AG 7 and the thrice defined dogma. Hence AG 7 would be contradicting itself for EWTN.

This confusion is presented in  a program on baptism which could not state that the baptism of water is needed for the salvation of souls.

Even their Bureau Chief in Rome cannot affirm the faith on this issue and is confused.

It is irrational when the FSSP and EWTN say that being saved in invincible ignorance is an exception to the dogma on exclusive salvation and to also Ad Gentes 7. It is irrational. Since we cannot see ghosts of people. So there are no known exceptions, in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or to the Syllabus of Errors.

To knowingly deny a defined dogma is heresy. Yet EWTN will only choose those apologists who pick up the leftist position which is heretical and irrational.
-Lionel Andrades

http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/sspx_fssp.htm

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ASK YOUR PARISH PRIEST FOR MORE INFORMATION ON AD GENTES 7, VATICAN COUNCIL II

Ask your Parish Priest if he knows any non Catholic in ‘inculpable ignorance’ or ‘though not aware ’ of Jesus and the Church and who is saved (Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II ).(1)


When he replies in the negative then ask him if being in invincible ignorance contradicts 'all must be converted to Him with faith and baptism' (Ad Gentes 7) (2)


If he says" No, there is no contradiction" then ask him if every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.After he says Yes, ask him if this is the centuries old teaching of the Catholic Church on extra ecclesiam nulla salus salus?(3)


Then ask him, just to clarify the issue, if Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) contradicts it self ?


Ad Gentes 7 contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?


Ad Gentes 7 has the same message as the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

YES!
-Lionel Andrades
1)
Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him


(2)
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.

3)

FR.JOE JENKINS INDICATES AD GENTES 7 CONTRADICTS ITSELF

Fr.Joe Jenkins is saying that only they could not be saved who aware, who ‘know’ and yet do not enter.This would include the leading non Catholics in Washington who are educated and informed.LG 14 indicates they are damned unless they convert.

PHIL LAWLER WANTS THE SSPX TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WITH HERESY-JUST LIKE JEFF MIRUS

SSPX DON'T USE THE FALSE PREMISE OF 'those who are saved in invincible ignorance, who have not had the Gospel preached to them through no fault of their own and who are now dead, are known to us, they are visible to us on earth.'

SSPX PLEASE TELL THE VATICAN THAT YOU ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II JUST LIKE THE SISTERS OF ST.BENEDICT CENTER.

VATICAN COUNCIL II WITHOUT THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE SYLLABUS OR ERRORS OR PASCENDI

ROME HAS TO CONVERT WHEN THE SSPX ANNOUNCES RICHARD CUSHING WAS IN HERESY

NO MATTER HOW YOU INTERPRET DIGNITATIS HUMANAE IF VATICAN COUNCIL II AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY IS TRADITIONAL

FR.NICHOLAS PFLUGER PLEASE ANNOUNCE THAT THE RICHARD CUSHING HERESY IS UNACCEPTABLE

SSPX - ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING WAS IN HERESY AND NOT FR.LEONARD FEENEY

THE BOSTON HERESY OF THE ARCHBISHOP INFLUENCED VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH

DID CARDINAL RATZINGER ASSUME THAT THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE KNOWN TO US SO THE CATECHISM SAYS GOD IS NOT LIMITED TO THE SACRAMENTS?

CHRISTOPHER FERRARA WITHOUT THE BOSTON HERESY OF THE ARCHBISHOP VATICAN COUNCIL II IS A TRADITONALIST COUNCIL

THE SSPX NEEDS TO ADDRESS THE AMBIGUITY IN THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949

YOUTUBE BISHOP RICHARD WILLIAMSON MAKES A DOCTRINAL ERROR

SSPX VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF ‘SPOTTING’ IN LUMEN GENTIUM 16 AND LUMEN GENTIUM 8

BISHOP GERHARD MULLER MADE TWO FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ON VATICAN COUNCIL II: HE ASSUMED LG 16 CONTRADICTS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND HE DID NOT KNOW AG 7 SUPPORTS THE DOGMA

BISHOP GERHARD MULLER NEEDS TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH INDICATES ALL LUTHERANS NEED TO CONVERT FOR SALVATION

IMPEDIMENT IN THE TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS?

Usually for the enemies of the Church the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) is not a problem as long as the extra ecclesiam nulla salus component is not there.

Since they are influenced by the Richard Cushing error they assume extra ecclesiam nulla salus is restricted to only one liturgy, the TLM.


Imbued with the Cushing visible-dead theory does the Traditional Latin Mass, the Mass of the centuries and the saints, today carry an impediment?

For instance Fr.Joseph Kramer FSSP,is  the 'Pastor' ,(as described on their website),at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini,Rome. He will not affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus in public. He fears there are too many people against them.They would want to stop the TLM in Rome. In public he will not call other religions'false'.

So the TLM is allowed in Rome since the extra ecclesiam nulla salus proclamation is not there by the priest offering the Mass.


Fr.Kramer will also disassociate himself from any Catholic who affirms the dogma in public.


Also if a Catholic who in public affirms the dogma attends Mass at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini where he is the 'Pastor'  he could be asked to leave or attend another church. Nothwitstanding that  the centuries old interpretation of the dogma is  affirmed by Vatican Council II (AG 7) and not contradicted by Vatican Council II (LG 16).

Fr.Kramer could ask this faithful , traditional Catholic to leave. If Fr.Kramer got 'instructions' and had to protect his position he would ask a faithful Catholic to not attend the TLM at the Church Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini..

The homilies at his TLM are similar to those in the Novus Ordo Mass.

Is the denying of the literal interpretation of the dogma, with the Cushing error of knowing the dead- saved with the baptism of desire etc, a heresy and so an impediment for Fr.Kramer offering Holy Mass?

Fr.Joseph Kramer was once a member of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) along with other priests he left the society and they formed the Priestly Fraternity of St.Peter (FSSP).They  have canonical status with the condition that they cannot in public affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in accord with Vatican Council II and the Syllabus of Errors.-Lionel Andrades

VATICAN COUNCIL II MOMENT : TRADITIONAL LATIN MASS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/08/vatican-council-ii-moment-traditional.html#links

http://www.fssp.it/pages/english/home.php