Tuesday, August 21, 2012

ROBERTO de MATTEI’S RADICI CRISTIANI ENDORSES LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE SALVATION DOGMA BUT DOES NOT INTERPRET VATICAN COUNCIL II ACCORDING TO THE DOGMA

Roberto de Mattei is critical of Vatican Council II since he is not aware of the Cushing Error. He assumes those saved are explicit exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If he could affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma, Vatican Council II would have, for him, the SSPX values on religious liberty, ecumenism and other religions.


Once at a conference in Rome where he was one of the speakers I asked him in writing a basic question about the dogma and Vatican council II. He did not answer.


However his magazine Radici Cristiani has carried a report by the Italian apologist Corrado Gnerre, endorsing the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


Corrado Gnerre also mentions that Pope Pius XII called extra ecclesiam nulla salus ‘a dogma’ and an ‘infallible statement’. (Letter of the Holy Office 1949).Gnerre and Mattei teach at a Legionaries of Christ University in Rome.


So like the SSPX communiqué last month the magazine endorses the literal interpretation of the dogma.However it does not interpret Vatican Council II according to the dogma since it assumes there are exceptions to the dogma.


There are so many books and articles by Roberto de Mattei which seem to take it for granted that LG 16 (Invincible ignorance) contradicts  AG 7(all need Catholic Faith).This is how the liberals interpret the Council and so this is the only interpretation he uses in his writings.


Recently Rorate Caeli posted a report by Mattei on religious liberty.


If Robert Mattei and the U.S Bishops affirmed the literal interpretation of the dogma there would be a new perspective on religious liberty.


If the U.S bishops believed in the literal interpretation of the extra ecclesiam nulla salus then they would state that every one has a moral obligation to enter the Catholic Church and only the doctrines of the Church should be taught and not those of other religions.


Even though in a secular state religious liberty is there for all people to proclaim their faith, no one is physically stopped, we still have the obligation to believe and teach that there is only one true faith, outside of which there is no salvation. And only this religion has the obligation to tell the truth.


This is not proclaimed while a Communist type ‘state religion’ is emerging and being enforced.


Due to the Richard Cushing Error U.S Bishops do not believe in the literal interpretation of the dogma and they interpret Vatican Council II with heresy and modernism which Roberto de Mattei criticizes.Without the Richard Cushing  Error Mattei's perspective on Vatican Council II would change and so would the bishops' understanding of the Council become traditional.The dogma is linked to religious liberty.


For instance Muslims believe there is exclusive salvation in only the Mohammedan religion and the state must protect only one religion. So now non Muslims  are penalised legally for living their faith or proclaiming it in public. Exclusive salvation is linked to religious liberty.


So if Roberto de Mattei would say, and he does not, that  those saved in invincible ignorance etc are not known to us and so there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Vatican Council II,this would be interpreting religious liberty and Vatican Council according to Tradition and not according to the liberals.-Lionel Andrades

TWO CATHOLIC CONFERENCES ARE READY TO CRITICIZE VATICAN COUNCIL II BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR OF THE ‘VISIBLE DEAD’.

There will be the Rebuilding Cristendom Conference (1)  and Catholic Identity Conference (2) in which many of the speakers will criticize Vatican Council II because they are not familiar of the Ruchard Cushing Error which they share.


They will assume that those saved in invincible ignorance though dead are known to us and so are explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesaim nula salus. In other words, there is salvation outside the church.


Since there is salvation outside the church according to Vatican Council II for them, the Council is considered a modernist Council.


So the fault is not with the Council. They wrongly assume  the dead are visible and so there is salvation outside the church.If there was no salvation outside the church then Vatican Council II would be a traditionalist Council with traditionalist values on religious liberty, other religions and ecumenism.
-Lionel Andrades

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NOVUS ORDO PRIESTS WITH CANONICAL STATUS HAVE AFFIRMED THE DOGMA AND VATICAN COUNCIL II - THEIR VALUES ARE THOSE OF THE SSPX

IF THE SISTERS CAN GET CANONICAL STATUS THEN WHY NOT THE SSPX: THE REAL ISSUE IS THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA AND NOT VATICAN COUNCIL II

Vatican Council II indicates there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church so it makes the old Muller-Ladaria way of understanding Vatican Council II obsolete.
The Cushing problem has been identified and corrected. We cannot know the dead who are saved

SSPX IF THE SISTERS HAVE CANONICAL STATUS SO CAN YOU

SSPX COULD CHOOSE THE SISTERS OF ST.BENEDICT CENTER MODEL FOR AFFIRMING VATICAN COUNCIL II IN ACCORD WITH TRADITION

NOVUS ORDO PRIESTS WITH CANONICAL STATUS HAVE AFFIRMED THE DOGMA AND VATICAN COUNCIL II - THEIR VALUES ARE THOSE OF THE SSPX

Canonical status is not an issue for many priests who offer Holy Mass in the vernacular language. They affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also Vatican Council II, in accord with the dogma.
So for them Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma and since they affirm the dogma their values on other religions, ecumenism and religious liberty are traditional.

So the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) like the Sisters of St.Benedict Center, Worcester can maintain their traditional values and view the Council as a traditional  Council.

All religious communities can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma and also a Vatican Council II which does not contradict the dogma or other magisterial texts.
-Lionel Andrades

LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE

CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Its a mortal sin to deny the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. It is a sacrilege to receive the Eucharist in this condition- Fr. Gabrielle, priest of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate