Thursday, November 24, 2016

Con il vecchio ecclesiologia intatto non ci può essere alcun cambiamento nella teologia morale e la salvezza nella Chiesa.Nessuno può citare il Concilio Vaticano II vagamente come una base per un cambiamento in teologia morale e salvezza, come è stato fatto negli ultimi 50 anni : quattro cardinali hanno bisogno di seguire le Suore Francescane dell'Immacolata

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Pope Francesco ha citato il Concilio Vaticano II, con riferimento alla dubbia dei quattro cardinali.Le quattro cardinali devono rispondere citando il Concilio Vaticano II come interpretato dalle Suore Francescane dell'Immacolata e spiegato da me.
Le suore hanno detto che accettano il Concilio Vaticano II, senza Rahneriana theologia.Cosi  P. S.Visintin OSB, Decano di Teologia presso la Pontificia Università di S. Anselmo, Roma, e che insegna teologia Rahnerian, ha detto che non ci sono noti eccezioni al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Il battesimo di desiderio ecc non sono eccezioni .
Le Suore Francescane dell'Immacolata e P. Visintin stanno dicendo la stessa cosa.
La teologia Rahneriana invece dice che ci sono delle eccezioni per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus esempio il battesimo di desiderio ecc
Se i quattro cardinali avrebbero accettato il Concilio Vaticano II, senza teologia Rahneriana poi il Concilio Vaticano II avrebbe sostenuto il vecchio ecclesiologia. Non sarebbe una rottura con il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, che è stata la fondazione del vecchio ecclesiologia.
Con il vecchio ecclesiologia intatto non ci può essere alcun cambiamento nella teologia morale e la salvezza nella Chiesa Cattolic.Nessuno può vagamente citare il Concilio Vaticano II come base per un cambiamento in teologia morale e la salvezza, come è stato fatto negli ultimi 50 anni .
Ma i quattro cardinali sono anche interpretando il Concilio Vaticano II con la teologia Rahneriana.nterpretando con eccezioni che vi sia noto per l'interpretazione Feeneyite del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Cosi il Concilio Vaticano II diventa una rottura con il vecchio ecclesiologia. E erroneamente mantenere che c'e salvezza conosciuto al di fuori della Chiesa.
L'apologista John Martignoni ha chiarito che il battesimo di desiderio non è esplicito e quindi non può essere un'eccezione o pertinenti al dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Quindi non c'è davvero nessuna salvezza conosciuto al di fuori della Chiesa.
Quando Rahner si riferisce alla Anonimo Cristiana è solo perché lui assume che c'e noto salvezza al di fuori dei confini visibili della Chiesa.
I cattolici hanno ora un'opzione. Loro devono informare la Curia Vaticana che accettano il Concilio Vaticano II, senza asssumere casi ipotetici non sono ipotetici. Loro non si assumono che il battesimo di desiderio e di essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile riferiscono a explicite casi.Questo è senso comune. Sono casi ipotetici, anche per l'arcivescovo Thomas E.Gullickson e molti sacerdoti a Roma.Hanno evitato l'interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II con l'errore teologico del cardinale Joseph Ratzinger e P. Karl Rahner S.J.
I quattro cardinali possono fare lo stesso e poi chiedere al Vaticano di respondere.-Lionel Andrades


With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years : Four cardinals need to follow the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate

Image result for Photo of the four cardinals and the dubbiaPope Francis has cited Vatican Council II with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals.The four cardinals need to respond by citing Vatican Council II as interpreted by the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and explained by me.
The Sisters have said that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian  theology.Similarly Fr. S.Visintin osb, the Dean of Theology at the Pontifical University of St. Anselm, Rome, who teaches Rahnerian theology, has said that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra eclesiam nulla salus and that the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions.
For me the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and  Fr. Visintin are saying the same thing.
Rahnerian theology says that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus e.g the baptism of desire etc.
If the four cardinals would accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology then Vatican Council II would support the old ecclesiology. It would not be a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was the foundation of the old ecclesiology .
With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years.
It is because the four cardinals are also interpreting Vatican Council II with Rahnerian  theology, with there being known exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus that the Council becomes a rupture with the old ecclesiology.It is wrongly assumed that there is known salvation outside the Church.
The apologist John Martignoni has clarified that the baptism of desire is not explicit and so it cannot be an exception or relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there really is no known salvation outside the Church.
When Rahner refers to the Anonymous Christian it is only because he assumes there is known salvation outside the visible limits of the Church.
Catholics now have an option. They should inform the Vatican Curia that they accept Vatican Council II without asssuming hypothetical cases are not hypothetical. They do not assume that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to explict cases.This is common sense. They are hypothetical cases even for Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson and many priests in Rome.So they have avoided interpreting Vatican Council II with the theological mistake of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Fr. Karl Rahner S.j.
The four cardinals can do the same and then ask the Vatican to respond.-Lionel Andrades

With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years : Four cardinals need to follow the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate

Image result for Photo of the four cardinals and the dubbiaPope Francis has cited Vatican Council II with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals.The four cardinals need to respond by citing Vatican Council II as interpreted by the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and explained by me.
The Sisters have said that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian  theology.Similarly Fr. S.Visintin osb, the Dean of Theology at the Pontifical University of St. Anselm, Rome, who teaches Rahnerian theology, has said that there are no known exceptions to the dogma extra eclesiam nulla salus and that the baptism of desire etc are not exceptions.
For me the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate and  Fr. Visintin are saying the same thing.
Rahnerian theology says that there are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus e.g the baptism of desire etc.
If the four cardinals would accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology then Vatican Council II would support the old ecclesiology. It would not be a break with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which was the foundation of the old ecclesiology .
With the old ecclesiology intact there can be no change in moral and salvation theology in the Catholic Church.So no one can vaguely cite Vatican Council II as a basis for a change in moral and salvation theology as it is being done over the last 50 years.
It is because the four cardinals are also interpreting Vatican Council II with Rahnerian  theology, with there being known exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus that the Council becomes a rupture with the old ecclesiology.It is wrongly assumed that there is known salvation outside the Church.
The apologist John Martignoni has clarified that the baptism of desire is not explicit and so it cannot be an exception or relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there really is no known salvation outside the Church.
When Rahner refers to the Anonymous Christian it is only because he assumes there is known salvation outside the visible limits of the Church.
Catholics now have an option. They should inform the Vatican Curia that they accept Vatican Council II without asssuming hypothetical cases are not hypothetical. They do not assume that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance refer to explict cases.This is common sense. They are hypothetical cases even for Archbishop Thomas E.Gullickson and many priests in Rome.So they have avoided interpreting Vatican Council II with the theological mistake of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Fr. Karl Rahner S.j.
The four cardinals can do the same and then ask the Vatican to respond.-Lionel Andrades



November 23, 2016
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have set a precedent for all religious communities.They have announced that they accept Vatican Council II without Rahnerian theology.This is extra ordinary. Since they are not denying the Council and neither are they denying Tradition
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/the-franciscan-sisters-of-immaculate.html



November 24, 2016
There are reports which say that with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals Pope Francis has cited Vatican Council II.On this issue the four cardinals and bishop Athanasius Schneider have not responded.
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/11/there-are-reports-which-say-that-with.html
 

There are reports which say that with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals Pope Francis has cited Vatican Council II.On this issue the four cardinals and bishop Athanasius Schneider have not responded.

There are reports which say that with reference to the dubbia of the four cardinals Pope Francis has cited Vatican Council II.On this issue the four cardinals and bishop Athanasius Schneider have not responded.
They have not told the Pope that there is nothing in Vatican Council II which supports his rejection of the moral teachings of the Catholic Church, in Amoris Laetitia.
Nor have they told him that there is an objective mistake in Vatican Council II which when avoided takes the Catholic Church  back to the old ecclesiology and the old salvation theology, which is also rejected by the two popes and the Vatican Curia.
The cardinals and Bishop Schneider have not responded to the issue of Vatican Council II and are still interpreting the Council with the same objective mistake, the factual error responsible for the new theology.It makes the Council a break with Tradition and this is acceptable to Pope Francis and is unacceptable to the cardinals and Bishop Schneider.
They have not responded also to posts on the Internet  which state that the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate have said that they accept Vatican Council II without the Rahnerian theology.
This is a new possibility for the interpretation of Vatican Council II by religious communities and all Catholics. The cardinals and Bishop Schneider have not responded. Are they also willing to accept Vatican Council II like the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate?-Lionel Andrades