Tuesday, February 19, 2013

The ‘authentic magisterium’ indicates the magisterium made a mistake in 1949

If the SSPX accepts Archbishop Muller’s version of Vatican Council II it would be a sin. They would be saying that the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and Vatican Council II are a break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


The ‘authentic magisterium’ (1) is presently using the false premise of being able to physically see people saved who are now in Heaven.


It is with this premise that it interprets the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 and Vatican Council II.


Since the dead are visible on earth, Archbishop Muller interprets Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance) as a break with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and Tradition.


This is the ‘authentic magisterium’ saying the Letter of the Holy Office was critical of Fr. Leonard Feeney, since he did not consider invincible ignorance as an exception to his traditional interpretation of the dogma on salvation. The magisterium today is saying that these cases are physically visible to us to be exceptions to Fr. Leonard Feeney. This is the dead man walking premise.


This is also heresy. It is the rejection of a dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible teaching’.


It is this heresy, in the interpretation of Vatican Council II, which Archbishop Muller wants the SSPX to accept this month with the promise of canonical status.


The SSPX could ask the ‘authentic magisterium’ to first affirm Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 without the dead man walking premise and then could resume dialogue.-Lionel Andrades

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The document required Lefebvrians to recognise that the magisterium is the authentic interpreter of Tradition, that the Second Vatican Council agrees with Tradition and that the post-conciliar liturgical reform promulgated by Paul VI was not only valid but legitimate as well. These conditions were discussed during the Fraternity's General Chapter in July 2012, but no response came from Rome. Lefebvrian leaders gave various statements and interviews in which they implied that it was difficult for them to accept the conditions laid out by the Holy See.(Emphasis added)


Second Vatican Council II does not agree with Tradition for Archbishop Gerhard Muller

VATICAN NOT SINCERE IN SEEKING A DOCTRINAL SOLUTION WITH THE SSPX
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/02/vatican-not-sincere-in-seeking.html

Second Vatican Council II does not agree with Tradition for Archbishop Gerhard Muller

Archbishop Gerhard Muller has given the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) a dead line to accept ,a document, which requires them to 'recognize the magisterium is the authentic interpreter of Tradition and that the Second Vatican Council agrees with Tradition'.
The document required Lefebvrians to recognise that the magisterium is the authentic interpreter of Tradition, that the Second Vatican Council agrees with Tradition and that the post-conciliar liturgical reform promulgated by Paul VI was not only valid but legitimate as well. These conditions were discussed during the Fraternity's General Chapter in July 2012, but no response came from Rome. Lefebvrian leaders gave various statements and interviews in which they implied that it was difficult for them to accept the conditions laid out by the Holy See.(Emphasis added)

Bishop Gerhard Muller endorsed a leftist, irrational version of Vatican Council II in an interview with Edward Pentin.He indicated that those saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma. So for him the dogma is no more relevant for the present times.Invisible cases saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions.LG 16 is a break with the past.

A rational German Archbishop and Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) is saying that he can physically see the dead saved in invincible ignorance. Otherwise how could invisible cases be an exception to the dogma ?

This is the irrational, political version of the Council which the SSPX has to accept by February 22,2013.

For Archbishop Muller, the Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith the magisterium made a mistake in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 issued to the Archbishop of Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII. Since invincible ignorance etc are visible to us he assumes that this was also the position of the cardinal who issued the Letter. The Letter would be criticial of Fr.Leonard Feeney for not accepting invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as exceptions to his literal, traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

We know that there is no physically known case of salvation in Heaven which is visible to us on earth in 2013. The dead are not visible. So the CDF Prefect is interpreting Vatican Council II and the Letter of the Holy Office with this irrationality.For him LG 16 would be an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus implying the dead saved are visible.

It is his irrationality which is being put forward by the magisterium today and they want the SSPX to accept it with the promise of giving them an Ordinariate.

This is not just a break with the past it is heresy.

Here are the relevant texts from the interview given by Archbishop Gerhard Muller to Edward Pentin of the National Catholic Register.

Do you, nevertheless, accept there’s been a weakening of the Church’s teaching because of this underlying confusion of terminology? One example sometimes cited is that the teaching of “no salvation outside the Church” seems to have become less prominent.

That has been discussed, but here, too, there has been a development of all that was said in the Church, beginning with St. Cyprian, one of the Fathers of the Church, in the third century. Again, the perspective is different between then and now. In the third century, some Christian groups wanted to be outside the Church, and what St. Cyprian said is that without the Church a Christian cannot be saved. The Second Vatican Council also said this: Lumen Gentium 14 says: “Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” He who is aware of the presence of Revelation is obliged by his conscience to belong publicly — and not only in his conscience, in his heart — to this Catholic Church by remaining in communion with the Pope and those bishops in communion with him.

But we cannot say that those who are inculpably ignorant of this truth are necessarily condemned for that reason. We must hope that those who do not belong to the Church through no fault of their own, but who follow the dictates of their God-given conscience, will be saved by Jesus Christ whom they do not yet know. Every person has the right to act according to his or her own conscience. However, if a Catholic says today, “I am going to put myself outside the Church,” we would have to respond that without the Church that person is in danger of losing salvation.

Therefore, we must always examine the context of these statements. The problem that many people have is that they are linking statements of doctrine from different centuries and different contexts — and this cannot be done rationally without a hermeneutic of interpretation. We need a theological hermeneutic for an authentic interpretation, but interpretation does not change the content of the teaching. (1)
The Second Vatican Council also said this: Lumen Gentium 14 says: “Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.” He who is aware of the presence of Revelation is obliged by his conscience to belong publicly

— and not only in his conscience, in his heart — to this Catholic Church by remaining in communion with the Pope and those bishops in communion with him.(2)
The CDF Prefect is unable to say that Vatican Council II agrees with extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors because of the irrationality he uses in the interpretation of magisterial texts. He must first affirm the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church . This is Tradition - and it is in agreement with Vatican Council II without the dead man walking premise.
-Lionel Andrades

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Archbishop Gerhard Müller: 'The Church Is Not a Fortress'

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ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER ASSUMES THAT THE DEAD WHO ARE SAVED ARE VISIBLE ON EARTH AND SO EVERY ONE DOES NOT NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH:NCR interview

CDF HAS PUBLISHED DOCUMENTI WHICH INTERPRETS VATICAN COUNCIL II AS A RUPTURE WITH TRADITION.IT IS HERETICAL ACCORDING TO THE RECENT STATEMENT OF ARCHBISHOP MULLER

Archbishop Gerhard Muller says that the SSPX needs to distinguish the true teaching of the Second Vatican Council: but he will not correct Reuters.

Paulist Fathers, Sant Egidio and Legion of Christ must also accept Archbishop Muller's ' fullness of the Catholic faith and its practice'

SSPX LETS ARCHBISHOP GERHARD MULLER GO UNANSWERED

Even the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the St.Benedict Centers, are saying that the Magisterium has made a mistake ?



When it is said that the Letter of the Holy Office 1947 corrected Fr.Leonard Feeney for not accepting the baptism of desire as an exception, it means the Letter made a mistake.It was implying that the baptism of desire was a known exception , these cases were physically visible to us to be an exception to the dogma .The dogma tells us that every one needs to be a visible member of the Church for salvation.

The Letter would be saying  according to the St.Benedict Centers that some people do not have to convert in the present times.


So for the St.Benedict Centers is the baptism of desire physically visible to us or not? I have asked at the St.Benedict Centers,USA  and I get no reply.

If it is not physically visible to us then there is no problem.The Letter refers to a person being saved with implicit desire or invincible ignorance.We accept this as a possibility.It is not mistaken to be an exception.

If for the SBC the baptism of desire is physically visible to us then it means the baptism of desire contradicts the dogma.Then the Letter has made a mistake.For many it would mean the Magisterium has made a mistake.The Magisterium is contradicting an infallible teaching with known cases of salvation.The Magisterium is also saying that the dead are visible to us on earth.
-Lionel Andrades