Friday, May 21, 2021

Roberto dei Mattei,Chris Ferrara and the Rorate Caili web blog owner, interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion,instead of the rational option

 Roberto dei Mattei,Chris Ferrara  and the Rorate Caili web blog owner, interprets Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion,instead of the rational option.There is no denial or correction from these politically correct traditionalists.They reject the Creeds and Catechisms interpreted rationally.There is no comment from them. Instead these days they want to talk about vaccinations. -Lionel Andrades



Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Cardinal Raymond Burke , Lefebvrists in practical schism

 Summorum Pontificum approved Holy Mass in Latin but it was only allowed to be offered  by a priest who accepted the New Ecclesiiology created with the irrational interpretation of the baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II, the Creeds and Catechisms.

This is how Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke offers Holy Mass.It is the same with Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

A Catholic can attend the Latin Mass as a Cushingite or Feeneyite.A Cushingite is someone  who interprets Magisterial documents with a false premise and a Feeneyite is someone who avoids this error with a rational interpretation.

A Catholic can also affirm the four marks of the Church as a Cushingite or Feeneyite. We can also recite the Profession of Faith as a Cushingite or Feeneyite and our conclusion will be different.It would be the same for the Oath of a Bishop or the Oath Against Modernism.

One is orthodox and the other modernist.

Lefebvrists are generally Cushingite. The liberals are also Cushingite. The New Theology depends upon Cushingism.

For the traditionalists, EENS, the Athanasius Creed and the Syllabus of Errors can be either Feeneyite or Cushingite.There are the traditionalists at the St. Benedict Centers and those of the SSPX.

Lefebvrists are modernists who make Magisterial documents obsolete.They are in practical schism and heresy.Yet they are called 'traditionalists'. -Lionel Andrades

Catholic faith has not changed with Vatican Council II. We simply re-interpret the Council rationally and we are in harmony with the past Magisterium over the centuries

 Catholic faith has not changed with Vatican Council II. We simply re-interpret the Council rationally and we are in harmony with the past Magisterium over the centuries. - Lionel Andrades


Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not correct Pope Paul VI when he interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise, inference and conclusion.Instead Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre.The fundamental issue was Vatican Council II

 Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Ratzinger and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre did not correct Pope Paul VI when he interpreted Vatican Council II with a false premise, inference and conclusion.Instead Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger excommunicated Archbishop Lefebvre.The fundamental issue was Vatican Council II.

Pope Benedict continues to repeat the mistake of Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II.He interprets Vatican Council II as a development of doctrine and a break with EENS of the missionaries of the 16th century.He has stated this in public. This indicates that he uses the false premise.He also interprets the Creeds and Catechisms with the same error.

If he used the rational premise, inference and conclusion he would have to affirm 16th century EENS and there would be no development of doctrine.

Pope John Paul II did not correct the mistake of Pope Paul VI and Cardinal Ratzinger. He also interpreted Vatican Council II with the false premise, inference and non traditional conclusion. -Lionel Andrades 


Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Fr.Curzio Nitoglia interprets Vatican Council II , the Creeds, Catechisms, EENS etc with the New Theology created with the false premise and here he criticizes the New Theology

 

Fr.Curzio Nitoglia interprets Vatican Council II , the Creeds, Catechisms, EENS etc with the New Theology created with the false premise and here he criticizes the New Theology.He is not aware of the error. -Lionel Andrades



Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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Cardinal Pietro Parolin must inform the Bishops Conferences in Germany, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia that they must interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion

 Cardinal Pietro Parolin must inform the Bishops Conferences in Germany, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia that they must interpret Vatican Council II with the rational premise, inference and conclusion. - Lionel Andrades


Fake premise

Lumen Gentium 8,Lumen Gentium 14, Lumen Gentium 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.

Here is my interpretation of Vatican Council II in blue.

Rational Premise
LG 8, LG 14, LG 16 etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-Lionel Andrades

Lionel Andrades
Promoter of the Lionel Andrades interpretation of Vatican Council II.
Catholic lay man in Rome,
Writer on the discovery of the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, one is rational and the other is irrational, one is interpreted with the false premise and the other without it. One is Magisterial and the other, the common one, is non Magisterial.
It is the same for the Creeds and Catechisms.There can be two interpretations.
Why should Catholics choose an irrational version which is heretical, non traditional and schismatic, when a rational option is there which is traditional ?
Blog: Eucharist and Mission

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We have to go back to the Catechism of the Council of Trent and the Baltimore Catechism and re-interpret the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as not contradicting 16 th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)

 We have to go back to the Catechism of the Council of Trent and the Baltimore Catechism and re-interpret the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as not contradicting 16 th century extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).

There are no practical exceptions to EENS.Since we humans cannot physically see anyone saved outside the Church. We cannot personally know of any one saved without faith and  the baptism of water.No one saw a St.Emerentiana in Heaven without the baptism of water.St. Emerentiana is a saint, yes, but who saw her in Heaven without the baptism of water? If she is in Heaven, as we believe she is,  then she had received the baptism of water.

We also have to re-interpret LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc  rationally in Vatican Council II.Otherwise there is a rupture between faith and reason. A new liberalism is justified in theology, with the creation of a false premise, inference and conclusion.-Lionel Andrades

Pope Paul VI was not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he used the false premise instead of the rational option.Pope Francis can correct the error

 Pope Paul VI was not Magisterial on Vatican Council II since he used the false premise instead of the rational option.Pope Francis can correct the error.

Pope Paul VI's choice was heretical, schismatic and non traditional.He made an objective error. It was a bad choice and he mislead the whole Church.

If he interpreted LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc without the false premise, they would only be hypothetical, speculative, theoretical and not personally known non Catholics.They would not be examples of salvation outside the Church in the present times.So Pope Paul VI would not interpret LG 8 etc as being practical exceptions to traditional exclusive salvation the Church.His premise would be rational, i.e physically invisible cases are just invisible.

But with the false premise, he mixed up what is invisible as being visible and made the Athanasius Creed( outside the Church no salvation) obsolete with alleged exceptions.The rejection of a Creed is first class heresy in the hierarchy of truths of Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict ( Ad Tuendem Fidem).

Catholics are not obliged to interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, inference and non traditional conclusion.

At Vatican Council II(1965) Cushing, Ratzinger and Rahner also made an objective mistake when they approved the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney(LOHO).

The LOHO brought in a new doctrine in the Church when it states that not every one needs to be a member of the Church, contradicting the Catechism of the Council of Trent etc.LOHO projected unknown cases of the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance as known and visible exceptions to Feeneyite extra ecclesiam nulla salus. This is the notorious New Theology.

LOHO was irrational but the error was overlooked by Pope Pius XII and Pope John XXIII.So Paul VI was not even Magisterial on EENS. He was projecting an EENS with exceptions.He approved the false premise in the interperetation of Vatican Council II,EENS, Athanasius Creed,Catechisms, Creeds( Apostles and Nicene).He began reading all Magisterial documents with the New Theology.So his interpretaton of Church documents and mine would be different. Pope Paul VI was a Cushingite( he used the irrational premise) and I am a Feeneyite( I avoid the false premise).

So now there are two Professions of Faith really recited at Holy Mass-that of the Cushingite priest and mine.

The Oath Against Modernism is meaningless  since interpreting Magisterial documents with a false premise, makes them modernist.

Pope Francis needs to correct the error and announce tht Magisterial documents ( Creeds, Catechisms, Vatican Council II, EENS etc)must be interpreted with the rational premise, inference and conclusion.Pope Paul VI's interpretation of Vatican CouncilI was unethical and deceptive.It is not binding on Catholics.-Lionel Andrades

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BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

Fake premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically visible cases in 1949-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.They are examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Fake conclusion
So they contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Pope Pius XII and the Holy Office(CDF) made an objective mistake.

BAPTISM OF DESIRE, BAPTISM OF BLOOD AND INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE

Rational Premise

The Baptism of Desire, Baptism of Blood and Invincible Ignorance refer to physically invisible cases in 1949-2021
They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.They are not examples of known non Catholics saved without Catholic faith and the baptism of water.

Rational Conclusion
They do not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.They do not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.
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VATICAN COUNCIL II

Fake premise

Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium 14(Baptism of Desire), Lumen Gentium 16 (Invincible ignorance) etc in Vatican Council II refer to physically visible cases in 1965-2021.

Fake inference
They are objective examples of salvation outside the Church.

Fake conclusion
Vatican Council II contradicts the strict interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS).The Athanasius Creed(outside the Church there is no salvation) and the Syllabus of Errors of Pope Pius IX ( ecumenism of return) were made obsolete.
Pope Paul VI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, made an objective error.

VATICAN COUNCIL II

Rational Premise
 Unitatis Redintigratio 3, Lumen Gentium  14 and Lumen Gentium 16  in Vatican Council II refer to physically invisible cases in 1965-2021.They are only hypothetical and theoretical. They exist only in our mind and are not solid bodies at Newton's level of time, space and matter.

Rational Inference
They are not objective examples of salvation outside the Church for us human beings.

Rational Conclusion
Vatican Council II does not contradict EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the Middle Ages.It does not contradict the strict interpretation of EENS of St. Thomas Aquinas( saved in invincible ignorance is invisible), St. Augustine and Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.
The Letter of the Holy Office(Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) 1949 made an objective mistake.-L.A




Lionel Andrades,
Promoter of  Vatican Council II interpreted without the false premise,
Catholic lay man in Rome, 
Writer on the two interpretations of Vatican Council II, the Creeds, Catechisms and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.One is rational and the other irrational, one has the false premise and the other is without it,
blog: Eucharist and Mission
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MAY 20, 2021

Pope Paul VI also used the false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and so is not Magisterial on the Council. : Massimo Faggioli still interprets Vatican Council II with a fake premise.This is unethical 

 https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/pope-paul-vi-also-used-false-premise-to.html



 MAY 20, 2021

 


When Pope Francis says that every one needs to accept Vatican Council II, it can not be with his interpretation which is non Magisterial with a fake premise.The only rational interpretation of the Council is the LA interpretation

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2021/05/when-pope-francis-says-that-every-one.html

Unisciti a noi per la Marcia per la Vita domani

 

Unisciti a noi per la Marcia per la Vita 2021 (22 maggio)

Cari studenti, professori e amici dell’Angelicum,

 

N.B. – per partecipare solo alla Marcia per la Vita non c’è bisogno di iscriversi su eventbrite – è solo per la Messa delle 9 del mattino (non c’è registrazione per la Marcia per la Vita)

 

Come abbiamo fatto negli anni passati, l’ASPUST vuole invitare tutti gli studenti a partecipare all’annuale Marcia per la Vita a Roma.  Quest’anno, date le varie restrizioni, invece della solita marcia, si terrà una manifestazione statica in via dei Fori Imperiali, sabato 22 maggio, alle ore 11.

 

 

Qui a Roma, dove innumerevoli cristiani della Chiesa primitiva hanno sparso il loro sangue per testimoniare Cristo, Signore della Vita, anche noi vogliamo innalzare le nostre voci per testimoniare una cultura di vita: unisciti a noi! Vogliamo dare una voce a chi non ne ha, e difendere chi non può farlo da sé.

 

Con l’aiuto di Dio, possiamo stabilire nella nostra società una cultura in cui la dignità di ogni persona viene rispettata e promossa: dal momento del concepimento a quello del suo ultimo respiro.

 

Per chi è interessato, ci incontreremo per la messa delle 9 e poi alle 10.30 partiremo dall’Angelicum per Via Fori Imperiali.  Per chi volesse trovarsi direttamente lì, appena arrivato cerchi la bandiera dell’Angelicum!  Per coloro che partecipano alla Messa nella Chiesa dei Santi Domenico e Sisto, si prega di registrarsi tramite eventbrite. Non è necessario iscriversi alla Marcia per la Vita.

https://angelicum.it/it/non-categorizzato/2021/04/28/join-us-for-romes-march-for-life-2021-22-may-2021/

Cari figli anche quando state più male, quando cadete sotto il peso della croce, non disperatevi...

Signore Gesù, inviti a venire a Te tutti coloro che sono stanchi e oppressi- Preghiera di Guarigione