Saturday, January 31, 2015

Rorate Caeili, Life Sites, NCR,EWTN prefer the evolved version of the dogma

"Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.” - Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri

Cardinal Baldisseri on the Synod on the FamilyFollowing his presentation, Cardinal Baldisseri fielded questions. The first came from a representative from a Venezuelan-based family organization, who wished to remain anonymous. The representative’s question was more of a statement.

He expressed “concern” and “shock” over Cardinal Kasper’s proposal at last February’s Extraordinary Consistory of Cardinals, in which Cardinal Kasper argued that the Catholic Church ought to study the Eastern Orthodox Church’s allowance of divorce and remarriage. Cardinal Kasper speculated that divorced and civilly remarried Catholics might be allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist, after a penitential process in the Catholic Church.

Cardinal Baldisseri responded by saying, “We shouldn’t be shocked that there is a different position from the ‘common doctrine.’”
He cited the example of the many contrasting positions that were in evidence at Vatican II. “Therefore, there’s no reason to be scandalized that there is a cardinal or a theologian saying something that’s different than the so-called ‘common doctrine.’ This doesn’t imply a going against. It means reflecting. Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.”
The cardinal added that it is “right that there is a reaction” and that “this is exactly what we want today. We want to discuss things, but not in order to call things into doubt, but rather to view it in a new context, and with a new awareness. Otherwise, what’s theology doing but repeating what was said in the last century, or 20 centuries ago?”

Theology, he said, “is meant to be investigated” and therefore “we shouldn’t be concerned.”-Cardinal Baldisseri
  http://www.aleteia.org/en/religion/article/top-official-of-synod-on-the-family-counters-conservatives-arguments-5250287669346304 
 Diane Montagna is Rome correspondent for Aleteia’s English edition
 
"Because dogma has its own evolution; that is a development, not a change.” - Cardinal Lorenzo Baldisseri
 
Neither does Rorate Caeili, LifeSites or traditionalist websites want to admit that doctrine was changed in 1949, dogma was changed, when it was assumed that the baptism of desire was an exception to traditional extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
This was the new theology, the new evolved doctrine which was included in Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14 etc).
 
 
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The text in Vatican Council II (AG 14,AG 7) is harmless and innocent but it is the inference which goes with it, that changes the traditional teaching on the dogma. This is the inference used by New Catholic at Rorate Caeili, John Henry Weston and Hilary White at LifeSites, Edward Pentin, Patrick Archbold, Jimmy Akins and Mark Shea at the National Catholic Register, the apologists at EWTN, the SSPX in general, Cardinal Walter Kasper , the Vatican Curia and the popes since Pius XII.
The dogma on salvation was completely changed and Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for speaking the truth.
Now if one is a Feeneyite it is considered anti-Semitic by the Jewish Left who originally supported Cardinal Cushing in Boston. There  are threats today if you are a Feeneyite. So Rorate Caeili, Life Sites, NCR,EWTN etc are protecting their interests and not affirming the dogma.They prefer the evolved version. It is politically correct.They are not willing to say that Vatican Council II is Feeneyite when the Cardinal Marchetti premise is not used in the interpretation.
-Lionel Andrades

Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and Schools in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism

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Fr.Raffaele Maiolini, Director of the Office for Education, University and School in Brescia, Italy says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism.
I have received an e-mail from him yesterday (Jan.30,2014) in response to the report I sent his office at Brescia.1 He writes that I should study the subject a little bit and that theologically and according to the Magisterium ( teaching authority of the Church) it is not all what I mean.2
 
He  cannot be blamed for not being aware that the dogma has been defined by three Church Councils , since there is still no translation of the dogma into Italian.3
Also Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger did not mention the dogma in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.The text of the dogma was never  published.
 
The magisterium  also accepted the irrational reasoning of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.It  assumed that those persons  saved with the baptism of desire etc refer to objective cases. In other words persons in Heaven are seen and known defacto in the present times to be relevant to the dogma.So Pope John  Paul II, like the popes since Pius XII, presumed the baptism of desire etc were known, visible in the flesh exceptions to the dogma. They were exceptions to the interpretation of the Church Councils, popes, saints and Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
 
The result is that the Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 only mentions an 'aphorism' and not a defined dogma.
 
So the Director of the Office for Education in Brescia corrects me and says extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not a dogma but an aphorism.
 
For the Office of Education in Brescia  theologically and magisterially, there are known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of St.Maximillian Kolbe in the 1930's and the saints over the centuries. They were all wrong for him! Since for the saints there were no exceptions.
If Fr.Raffaele Maiolini would admit that the Marchetti letter of 1949 made an objective mistake then it would mean the saints are still correct after Vatican Council II and it is the present magisterium which is wrong.
 
Fr.Raffele is a professor of theology at the Università Cattolica del Sacre Cuore.
-Lionel Andrades
 
 
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Ilaici cattolici dovrebbero contattare i vescovi ausiliari di Roma: Vicariato insegna una falsità  
 
 
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Per me dovresti farti vedere.
Ma da uno bravo.
E studiare anche un po’.
Sia per scrivere in italiano corretto.
Sia per sapere cosa significhi teologicamente e magisterialmente l’assioma (non il dogma) extra ecclesiam nulla salus; non vuol dire affatto quanto intendi tu.
don Raffaele Maiolini
direttore
Ufficio per l’Educazione, la Scuola e l’Università
Diocesi di Brescia

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http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation

Friday, January 30, 2015

I laici cattolici dovrebbero contattare i vescovi ausiliari di Roma: Vicariato insegna una falsità

Monsignor Lorenzo Leuzzi, vescovo ausiliare di Roma e cappellano del Parlamento italiano sul ottobre 29,2014 avuto un incontro con Stefano Bisi il Gran Maestro della Massoneria in Italia, 1 anche se la Chiesa insegna che non ci deve essere collaborazione con la massoni.

Il massoni e il resto della sinistra ebraica vuole la Chiesa cattolica rinnegare il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Coloro che sostengono il dogma ricevere una minaccia con diritti di sinistra.Cioe il Vicariato di Roma informato sacerdoti che non fanno 'questo errore'. Non e permissione per affermare in pubblica il dogma sul salvezza esclusivo nella Chiesa cattolica.Questa è stata seguita anche da Papa Benedetto XVI.

 Cardinale Agostono Vaillani, il Vicario Generale al Vicariato di Roma deve accogliere i massoni e gli altri che si oppongono alla Chiesa, e sostenere i pro- Satana valori.Allora il Vicariato accetta la lettera di Cardinale Marchetti (1949). Si dice coloro che sono salvati con il battesimo di desiderio, per esempio, sono eccezioni esplicite per la necessita di battesimo dell'acqua per tutti.Così si concludo che c'e una contraddizione con la tradizionale insegnamento  sul salvezza.Questo è irrazionale.Ma con questo irrazionalita loro rinnegare il dogma fuori della chiesa cattolica non c'e salvezza. Questo sarebbe stata approvata dal rabbino Riccardo Di Segni e Stefano Bisi presente alla riunione con il vescovo Lorenzo Leuzzi.
  
Il Vicariato interpreta il Concilio Vaticano II, con la premessa irrazionale. E politico. Da 2010 li stato informare, tramite questo blog e non faremo niente. Per il cardinale ei suoi vescovi presso la sede dal Universitaria San Giovanni in Laterano , i morti sono fisicamente visibili sulla terra.Per Cardinale Vaillani, Lumen Gentium 16 (essere salvato nell'ignoranza invincibile) diventa un'eccezione obiettivo per il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
 
Il Vicariato conosce  il ragiomento falso e usato per sbarazzarsi del dogma, che sarebbe un ostacolo alla cooperazione tra le religioni, in un futuro uno  religione mondiale, con una nuova immagine di Gesù e della Chiesa cattolica. 
 
Preti cattolici in Italia hanno detto che non ci sono noti eccezioni alla
dogma.2 Eppure per soddisfare la sinistra politica, compreso il Partito Democratico, il cui membro  era presente a tale riunione nel mese di ottobre, il Vicariato sta promuovendo una bugia obiettivo di farla finita il dogma tradizionale.

Così ora i sacerdoti sono autorizzati a proclamare Gesù, come il Salvatore, ma senza la necessità della chiesa cattolica.Senza la necessita per entarre con 'fede e battesimo'(AG 7, Concilio Vatican II).

La communita Francescani dell'Immacolata, per esempio, aveva affermato il dogma.Loro hanno ora di interpretare il Concilio Vaticano II, con la premessa irrazionale.Ora loro seminaria è ancora chiuso e seminaristi devono studiare in università pontificie di Roma, dove interpretano il Concilio Vaticano II, con la approvato fantasia  premise.3
 
Il Vicariato offrono laici cattolici una strana proposta.La proposta dice che loro e in grado di vedere i morti sulla terra.(LG 16,LG 8,NA 2 ecc) Questi morti diventa una rottura con il passato perche loro sono visibile sulla terra.
Concilio Vaticano II, senza questa falsa premessa, è veramente in accordo con il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, il Sillabo di Errore  e il Catechismo di Papa Pio X.
 
 I laici cattolici dovrebbero contattare i vescovi ausiliari di Rome.Noi cattolici non devono essere costretti a cambiare le nostre convinzioni religiose a causa della pressione dei nemici della Chiesa, ora al potere.
I vescovi di Vicariato e il cardinale Agostino Vaillani hanno l'obbligo di non insegnare una menzogna.Non e visibile eccezioni per il dogma in 2001 .Non dovrebbe far finta una insegnamente tradizionale.Questo e  la menzogna approvano per gli studenti delle università pontificie di Roma e centri di teologia per i laici.4
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP, Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are

3.
MANELLI FAMILIES STOP THE COERCION : ITS ILLEGAL

If you consider the Holy Office or Fr.Leonard Feeney in heresy determines how you interpret Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/if-you-consider-holy-office-or.html

Fr.Frederico Lombardi does not address doctrinal questions on Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/frfrederico-lombardi-does-not-address.html#links
Understanding of Vatican Council II which is being forced upon the Fransciscans of the Immaculate is irrational http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/understanding-of-vatican-council-ii.html

Franciscans of the Immaculate officially being forced to accept heresy
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GREGORIAN UNIVERSITY MEETING JEWISH LEFT STANDARDS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/gregorian-university-meeting-jewish.html
Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions
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January 29, 2015

Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome : Vicariate teaches a falsehood http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/lay-catholics-should-contact-auxiliary.html

 
Attenzione famiglia Mannelli
 
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/attenzione-famiglia-mannelli.html



Fr.Volpi's interpretation of the Nicene Creed is different from mine


In the Nicene Creed we pray 'I believe  in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' and this refers to the baptism of water, the ordinary means of salvation.
The baptism of desire and blood are not known baptisms. They are not defacto, objectively seen. They cannot be administered . The baptism of water instead is visible and repeatable.
So there are not three known baptisms but only one.If the person is saved with the baptism of desire and blood it would include the baptism of water. If a person is saved without the baptism of water, as many allege because of the confusion in the letter of Cardinal Marchetti Selvaggiani (1949), it would not be known to us. There are no objective cases.There is no known case  of someone saved without the baptism of water in 2015.
When Fr.Fidenzio Volpi OFM Cap., Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate offers Mass in Italian for him there is not one known baptism but three known baptisms. For him the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance ( without the baptism of water) are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They would have to be known, to be exceptions.
It is because there are exceptions to the dogma for him I say that there is not one known baptism but three known baptisms for him.
 
For the Commissioner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate  Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus. He does not mean all need the baptism of water in the Catholic Church for salvation.Far from it! There are exceptions! There  are visible exceptions to the Nicene Creed.The credal teaching is contradicted. There are visible exceptions to Jesus saying in the Bible (John 3:5) that all need the baptism of water for salvation.Not all!?

There are exceptions to the dogma for him? Then it means there are explict exceptions.If it was not explicit it would not be an exception.

This of course is not how the Nicene Creed was understood by St.Maximillian Kolbe.This is not  the Atranasius Creed of earlier times, which said  outside the Church there is no salvation.There are no exceptions, visible or invisible mentioned in those Creeds. Now we have the theology of exceptions.
This is a new Nicene Creed.It is the one approved by the new Franciscans of the Immaculate and of course the Vatican Curia. It was also approved by Pope Benedict XVI.Offer the Traditional Latin Mass but hold on to the exceptions to the dogma.
It is obvious heresy from the magisteriuim . Fr.Volpi is not the only one repeating it.It is also the heresy of the  Marchetti letter.
Even the'Lefebvrists' unknowingly support it.
 
So we have the traditional understanding of the Nicene Creed.There is one known baptism for the forgiveness of sin.Then we have the new version of three or more known baptisms for the forgivenes of sin.
Fr.Volpi wants the Franciscans of the Immaculate to accept the new one, which is heretical and irrational. Probably they are already doing so.
Where are the visible exceptions in Rome or the Vatican, to I believe in one known baptism for the forgiveness of sin?
For me there are no known exceptions to the Nicene Creed or the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II does not mention any.
-Lionel Andrades


Impediment in the Traditional Latin Mass for the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/impediment-in-traditional-latin-mass.html



 

Impediment in the Traditional Latin Mass for the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate

Fr.Fidenzio Volpi,Father Alfonso Bruno,Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I are not affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, since for them all references to salvation in Vatican Council II (LG 16 etc) are objective cases on earth, who are saved without the baptism of water.This is how the Correira della Serra, La Repubblica and other political left newspapers in Italy interpret Vatican Council II. They criticize the Traditional Latin Mass since they associate it with extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They approve  the Traditional Latin Mass only when the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is not affirmed as it was over the centuries.
So for  Fr.Fidenzio Volpi Ofm.Cap, Commissioner for the Franciscans of the Immaculate, Fr. Alfonso Bruno, Secretary General of the F.I and Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I,a delegate to North America and others,   all salvation in Heaven, mentioned in Vatican Council II, refers to persons saved without the baptism of water and most important , who are alive and visible on earth  in 2015.They are alive to become exceptions to the Feeneyite version of the dogma. This was the original irrationality in  the Marchetti letter of 1949.
 
 
If you ask these priests directly if the dead for us,  who are saved in Heaven are visible to them on earth in 2015, they would deny it. It would irrational.Yet this is exactly what they infer when they say Vatican Council II contradicts extra ecclesiam nulla salus . For them there are exceptions, like Lumen Gentium 16. An exception here implies the existence of a known person. If there was no known case there would not be a defacto exception to the dogma as it was known to St.Maximillian Kolbe, St.Francis of Assisi, St.Bonaventure and the the popes and Church Councils.
If Lumen Gentium  16 refers to an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus then it is implied that this exception: this person, is alive in the present times. He has been saved or is going to be saved without the baptism of water.This makes him an exception.
So this is  the 'new' Franciscans of the Immaculate approved by Poep Francis.This is their  new ideology in the Church; the visible -dead theory, the dead man walking and visible theology.
With this fantasy theology Fr.Alfonso Bruno rejects a defined dogma, changes the Nicene Creed, interprets  Vatican Council II with an irrationality and reportedly  offers the TLM for the Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate.
According to St.Alphonsus Ligouri ,it is a grave sin to receive the Eucharist from a priest in manifest mortal sin ( Teologia Moralis 3). St.Alphonsus  says it is a sin against charity and religion.
The Franciscans Sisters of the Immaculate must tell Fr.Alfonso Bruno that they do not know any one in 2015 saved in 'invincible ignorance'(LG 16), a good conscience (LG 16), with ' a ray of the Truth' (NA 2), imperfect communion with  the Church (UR 3), or subsistit it (LG 8) etc . So there are no known exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Vatican Council II  without the irrational premise, does not contradict the traditional doctrines and theology on other religious and Christian communities.With the irrationality Vatican Council II  is pro-Left.
Then they should ask Fr.Fidenzio Volpi,Father Alfonso Bruno and Fr.Angelo Geiger F.I  to accept this interpretation of Vatican Council II, since their present one is irrational and heretical. 
But politically these priests will not be allowed to say that all non Catholics need to convert into the Church with no known exceptions in 2015.
They politically have to interpret Vatican Council with the irrational proposition( the dead now saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma) and the irrational conclusion( so all non Catholics in the present times do not need to convert).This is acceptable for  the Masons and Jewish Left who are overseeing the community.
The Franciscan Sisters of the Immaculate could announce that they accept Vatican Council II in agreement with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X and ask the priests to do the same before they offer Holy Mass.Otherwise it is an impediment to offering Holy Mass. To change the defined dogma and the Nicene Creed is a mortal sin.The sin is public  here.They are not afirming  doctrines which are obligatory for all Catholics. With this grave sin they offer Holy Mass.
-Lionel Andrades
 
Franciscans of the Immaculate

Thursday, January 29, 2015

Attenzione famiglia Mannelli


I membri della famiglia Manelli nel Francescani dell Immculata devono usare una falsa premessa e la conclusione nell'interpretazione dei documenti magisteriali, tra cui il Concilio Vaticano II?
Definire le mie termine:

Quale premessa?

La premessa irrazionale è "I morti sono visibili a noi sulla terra".

Quale conclusione?
La conclusione è perchè i morti sono visibili a noi sulla terra, coloro che sono morti, ma ora salvata in Cielo con il battesimo di desiderio o in ignoranza invincibile, sono esplicite (visibile nella carne). Casi di battesimo de desiderio ecc. sono visibili a noi in loro corpo fisica.
Dal sono presumibilmente visibili e conosciuti in casi personali loro sono eccezioni alla tradizionale interpretazione del dogma Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus.
Loro referiscono a persone che hanno ricevuto salvezza e ora sono in Cielo. Quindi la conclusione è che sono eccezioni per tutti ricevere il battesimo di acqua nel 2015 per andare in Paradiso e i evitare l'inferno (per la salvezza).

Chi e la teologia ?
Così il posto -1949 teologia dice che tutti bisogna entrare nella Chiesa cattolica ad eccezione di quelli in ignoranza invincibile o avete il battesimo di desiderio.
Defacto vi sono noti eccezioni all'interpretazione di Don.Leonard Feeney di Boston.


Quale Tradizione.
Pre- 1949 Tradizione Cattolica, sulla salvezza (soteriologia) dice che c'è salvezza esclusivo nella Chiesa cattolica. Le tre dogmi su Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, definiti da tre Concili della Chiesa non menzionano alcuna eccezione. Il testo del dogma non menziona il battesimo di desiderio o di essere salvato in ignoranzae.Non e mai citato ad esempio in Cantate Dominio, Concilio di Firenze 1441.

Anche Mystici Corporis e il Concilio di Trento menzionano implicito desiderio, ecc, ma non indicano che questi casi sono noti a noi, ad essere eccezioni alla dogma .Essi non affermano che ci sono eccezioni al dogma.

Eppure, con la falsa premessa e conclusione il Concilio di Trento, il Catechismo di Pio X, ecc vengono interpretati.

Se Papa Francesco utilizza la premessa irrazionale e arriva a una conclusione irrazionale,è un errore oggettivo, anche quando lui è il papa. E 'un fatto che non possiamo vedere persone in Cielo salvati con il battesimo di desiderio. Non sappiamo nessuno quest'anno salvato senza il battesimo dell'acqua. Così come possono questi casi essere postulata come eccezioni
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Cardinale Braz de Avez, Cardinale Gerhard Muller e Don Fidenzio Volpe OFM, utilizzare un falso ragionamento (falsa premessa e conclusione).Loro impongono questa ragionamento sulle cattolici in generale e della comunità religiosa dei Francescani dell'Immacolata (FI) in particolare.Questa menzogna è la basa della coercizione e della persecuzione. E 'illegale in Italia. 1.Don Fidenzio Volpi ,il Commissario della FI, assume ci sono note eccezioni nel 2015 per il dogma che insegna che e neccesario che tutti ricevere il battesimo di acqua per salvezza. Questi eccezione per lui rifiuta il dogma.

2. Egli presuppone ci sono documenti magisteriali prima del 1949 che identificano queste eccezioni note al dogma. Non ce ne sono.

3. Per lui il Concilio Vaticano II (LG 16, LG 8, NA 2, UR 3 ecc) si oppone extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Concilio Vaticano II diventa una rottura con il passato quando usa questo fantasiaragionamento, i eccezioni conosciute. Perché i cattolici devono accettare il Concilio Vaticano II con questa irrazionalità? Perché F.I bisogna accettare questo?

 4.Papa Francesco vuole che i Francescani dell'Immacolata accettare la Lettera del Sant'Uffizio 1949 mentre ipotizzando che il battesimo di desiderio è esplicita per noi invece di implicito? Vuole ciò che è invisibile agli accettabile come invisibile.

5. Egli vuole allora questa stessa irrazionalità da utilizzare nella interpretazione del Concilio Vaticano II.

Il Santo Ufficio 1949 ha fatto un errore quando si presume che il desiderio implicito e di essere salvati nell'ignoranza invincibile erano eccezioni alla interpretazione letterale del dogma.

 6. I Francescani dell'Immacolata hanno affermare il Concilio Vaticano II, assumendo che ogni salvezza in cielo è visibile sulla terra. Poi
deve essere erroneamente concluso che questi casi "visibili" sono eccezioni alla dogma ecclesiam nulla salus in più e il resto della Tradizione.

 7.Puo F.I accetta Concilio Vaticano II e tutti i documenti magisteriali senza assumere la salvezza in cielo è fisicamente visibile sulla terra? In questo modo la F.I può affermare la tradizione e anche il Concilio Vaticano II. 

8.Per favore chiedere a Papa Francesco e la Curia Vaticana ad approvare prima un Concilio Vaticano II, senza l'irrazionale inference.Anche chiedere i dissidenti F.I a fare lo stesso.
-Lionel Andrades

 
 
 
 
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Defining my terms:
what premise ?
The irrational premise is "The dead are visible to us on earth".
 What conclusion ?
The conclusion is since the dead are visible to us on earth those who are dead but now saved in Heaven with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance are explicit ( visible in the flesh) . Cases of the baptism of desire etc are visible to us in the flesh.Since they are allegedly visible and known in personal cases they exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. These are referring to cases of persons saved without the baptism of water aand who are in Heaven. So the conclusion is that they are exceptions for all needing the baptism of water in 2015 to go to Heaven and avoid Hell ( for salvation).
What theology ?
So the post -1949 theology says every one needs to enter the Catholic Church except for those in invincible ignorance or with the baptism of desire.
Defacto there are known exceptions to the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston.
What Tradition ?
Pre- 1949 Catholic Tradition, on salvation ( soteriology) says there is exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church. The three dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus ,defined by three Church Councils do not mention any exception. The text of the dogma does not mention the baptism of desire or being saved in invincible ignorance.No where is this mentioned for example in Cantate Dominio, Council of Florence 1441.
Also Mystici Corporis and the Council of Trent mention implicit desire etc but do not state that these cases are known to us, to be exceptions to the dogma .They do not state that there are exceptions to the dogma.
Yet with the false premise and false conclusion this is how the Council of Trent, the Catechism of Pope Pius X etc are interpreted.
If Pope Francis uses the irrational premise and comes to an irrational conclusion it still is an objective error, even if he is the pope. It is a fact of life that we cannot see persons in Heaven saved with the baptism of desire. We do not know any one this year saved without the batism of water. So so how can these cases be postulated as exceptions?



Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome : Vicariate teaches a falsehood

Monsignor Lorenzo  Leuzzi, Auxiliary Bishop of Rome and Chaplain of the Italian Parliament on October 29,2014 had a meeting with Mr.Stefano Bisi the Grand Master of the Freemasons in Italy,1  even though the Church teaches that there should be no cooperation with the Masons.
The Masons and the rest of the Jewish Left want the Catholic Church to give up its teaching on the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Those who support the dogma are being threathened  with leftist laws.So bishops of the Rome Vicariate have been calling up priests who make 'this mistake'. There must be no public affirmation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus they are told. This policy was being followed by Pope Benedict XVI.
Since Cardinal Agostono Vaillani, the Vicar General at the Rome Vicariate has to accomodate the Masons and others who oppose the Church, and support pro-Satan values, the Vicariate accepts the Marchetti letter. It says those who are saved with the baptism of desire, for example, are explicit exceptions to all needing the baptism of water .So  it is concluded that this is a contradiction to the traditional interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is irrational but it gets rid of the dogma. This would be approved by Rabbi Riccardo Di Segni and Stefano Bisi present at the meeting with Bishop Lorenzo Leuzzi.
 
The Vicariate interprets Vatican Council II with the irrational premise. It's political.Since 2010 I have been informing them via this blog and they do not want to do anything. For the cardinal and his bishops at the St.John Lateran University premises, the dead are physically visible on earth.For Cardinal Vaillani, Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance) becomes an objective exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
Th Vicariate  knowingly uses a falsehood to get rid of the dogma, which would be an obstacle to cooperation among religions , in a future one world religion, with a new image of Jesus and the Catholic Church.
 
Catholic  priests in Italy have said that there are NO known exceptions to the dogma.2 Yet to satisfy the political left, including the Partito Democratico, whose reperesentative  was present at that meeting in October, the Vicariate  is  promoting an objective lie  to do away with the traditional dogma.
So now priests are allowed to proclaim Jesus, as the Saviour, but without the necessity of the Church.The Franciscans of the Immaculate for example, had  affirmed the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They now have to interpret Vatican Council II with the irrational premise, to have their situation regularised.Their seminary is still closed and the seminarians have to study at pontifical universities in Rome where they interpret Vatican Council II with the approved fantasy premise.They now offer lay Catholics a strange proposition, that of being able to see the dead.So Vatican  Council II becomes a break with the past when it really is in agreement with extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the Catechism of Pope Pius X.
Lay Catholics should contact the Auxiliary bishops of Rome.We Catholics must not be forced to change our religious beliefs due to pressure from the  enemies of the Church, now in power. The Vicariate bishops and Cardinal Agostino Vaillani have an obligation not to teach a falsehood.They should not pretend that it is a traditional church teaching.This is also the lie they approve for students at pontifical universities in Rome and lay centres of theology in the city, which they oversee.4.
-Lionel Andrades
 
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Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP, Fr.P. Stefano Visintin OSB say there are no exceptions to the dogma, Cardinal Valliani's Vicariate says there are


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MANELLI FAMILIES STOP THE COERCION : ITS ILLEGAL

If you consider the Holy Office or Fr.Leonard Feeney in heresy determines how you interpret Vatican Council II http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/if-you-consider-holy-office-or.html

Fr.Frederico Lombardi does not address doctrinal questions on Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/07/frfrederico-lombardi-does-not-address.html#links
 
Understanding of Vatican Council II which is being forced upon the Fransciscans of the Immaculate is irrational http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2014/01/understanding-of-vatican-council-ii.html

Franciscans of the Immaculate officially being forced to accept heresy
 
 
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GREGORIAN UNIVERSITY MEETING JEWISH LEFT STANDARDS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2015/01/gregorian-university-meeting-jewish.html
 
Fr.Marco Hausmann FSSP in Rome says there are no exceptions while the Vicariate is teaching young lay Catholics that there are exceptions
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