Sunday, June 17, 2018

Every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and not only those who know : talk with young priest

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Vatican Council II supports 'the black and white' teaching of the popes and saints on extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).You are either ' in or out'. Vatican Council II is not a rupture for me with the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church, which taught that all non Catholics who have died are in Hell and those who are alive need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.
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Jesus says in John 3:5 that all need the baptism of water for salvation. The baptism of water is given in a community.In Mark 16:16 Jesus says all need faith in Him for salvation and those who do not believe will be condemned.Those who do not come to God through Jesus will not receive salvation. This is how God the Father chooses salvation for all.
So like the popes and saints over the centuries, I believe all need to be members of the Catholic Church for salvation and not only those who know.
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Today evening after Mass in Italian, I was talking to a young priest who in his homily said that evangelisation and catechesis is not only the responsibility of priests and nuns but also the laity.
But when I spoke to him personally he said that every one does not need to enter the Church for salvation but only ' those who know'. Those who are in ignorance can be saved he said.
He was citing Lumen Gentium 14 which is an error for me . But even with this error Lumen Gentium 14 does not contradict the popes and numerous saints on there being exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church. You are either in or out. It is black or white.
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Since, Lumen Gentium 14  does not state that we humans can know who will be saved in invincible ignorance outside the Church. If it did say this directly then it would be an exception to the old understanding on salvation.
But due to the error from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, Lumen Gentium 14 does infer that there are known people saved in invincible ignorance outside the Church.So all do not need to enter the Catholic Church as members, but only those 'who know'.Those who are not in ignorance through no fault of their own,have to enter is the new reasoning.But only God can judge who knows and does not know and will be saved or not. So there are no practical examples for us, of people saved in invincible ignorance who are exceptions to the dogma EENS. There are no practical examples of people saved outside the Church, who did not know about Jesus and the Church.
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So we are dealing with 'deadwood' here, a straw man. We cannot meet any one on earth who does not know about Jesus and the Church and who will be saved. We cannot name names.
So Vatican Council II says all need faith and baptism for salvation and hence the need for mission (Ad Gentes 7) and we cannot see or meet any one on earth who does not know about Jesus through no fault of his own and who will be saved(LG 14 etc).
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So even with the error in Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II does not contradict the strict interpretation of the dogma EENS.Since LG 14 is referring to a speculative case, a hypothetical person.
The young priest agreed with me.There were no objective cases of being saved in invincible ignorance for him too.
But the Vatican is not allowing priests to say this.If I cited this priest's name here, the Vicariate in Rome, which is under the Jewish Left rabbis, will telephone this priest directly or call up his superiors.
So I keep saying, whatever is your opinion of Fr. Leonard Feeney, due to ignorance or to be correct with the influential Left, Vatican Council II no where contradict Feeneyite EENS. 
Lumen Gentium 14 does not contradict Feeneyite EENS.
This is why I say that all non Catholics in 2018 are oriented to Hell and this is not just a personal view.This is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II. 
For me most people on earth are on the way to Hell since they die without faith and baptism in the Catholic Church (Ad Gentes7). So Vatican Council II for me is not a rupture with the popes and saints of the past, on salvation.
But I am not a priest and I cannot say this in Church.
I cite Vatican Council II to support my position on salvation being either black or white, in or out.Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance) refers to hypothetical cases.No one disagrees with me here.They all agree with me that being saved in invincible ignorance refers to only hypothetical cases. There is no choice. It cannot be anything else.
So when this young priest said that not everyone needs to enter the Church but only those who know  he was repeating his liberal interpretation of Vatican Council II which has been approved by the Church to prevent what the Masons call 'triumphalism'.He has to pretend that Lumen Gentium 14 does not refer to hypothetical cases only. He has to pretend that the baptism of desire refers to known exceptions to the past exclusivist ecclesiology of the Church. This is what I discovered when talking to another priest last year from this same community.
So whatever is your opinion about Fr. Leonard Feeney, know that Vatican Council II supports him on EENS.Vatican Council II is Feeneyite.-Lionel Andrades


JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).FSSPX priests do not want to discuss thishttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict_16.html

JUNE 16, 2018
He is declared excommunicated but Vatican Council II is in agreement with Fr. Leonard Feeney's 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/he-is-declared-excommunicated-but.html


JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II supports the 'black and white position' on 'the Church's true teaching that "outside the Church there is no salvation"
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-supports-black-and.html

JUNE 16, 2018
The Case of Fr. Leonard Feeney -No exceptions are mentioned in Vatican Council II to traditional EENS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/the-case-of-fr-leonard-feeney-no.html

JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II is not an exception to the dogma extra ecclesia nulla salus(EENS) as Fr. Leonard Feeney understood it
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-is-not-exception-to.html

JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus irrespective of your opinion on Fr.Leonard Feeney
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-does-not-contradict.html

JUNE 16, 2018
Vatican Council II does not contradict extra ecclesiam nulla salus - whatever may be your view of Pope Pius XII and Fr.Leonard Feeney
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/message-incomplete-things-are-really-bad.html




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 FEBRUARY 17, 2018



I affirm baptism of desire(BOD) Feeneyite and extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS) Feeneyite.I do not reject BOD,baptism of blood (BOB)and being saved in invincible ignorance(I.I) which are always Feeneyite for me

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/02/i-affirm-baptism-of-desirebod-feeneyite.html

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DECEMBER 26, 2017



The Most Holy Family Monastery like the SSPX and SSPX Resistance groups interpret Vatican Council II with Cushingism instead of Feeneyism, they use a false premise
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017_12_26_archive.html




DECEMBER 26, 2017

Will the German Bishops go into schism because of Vatican Council II?

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/will-german-bishops-go-into-schism.html



DECEMBER 22, 2017



Get a new perspective on Vatican Council II only on the blog Eucharist and Mission(Lionel's blog)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2017/12/get-new-perspective-on-vatican-council.html









DECEMBER 22, 2017


Mark Shea continues to reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :hypothetical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II are real people saved outside the Church for him. Possibilities are known exceptions to EENS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/mark-shea-continues-to-reject-dogma.html


 

DECEMBER 22, 2017

Cardinal Kasper uses specious reasoning to further ecumenism and reject the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/cardinal-kasper-uses-specious-reasoning.html



DECEMBER 22, 2017
'Rome must come back to the Faith' : it does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/rome-must-come-back-to-faith-it-does.html


DECEMBER 21, 2017

Franciscans of the Immaculate, SSPX, SBC can have their situation regularised : the doctrinal puzzle has been solved
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/franciscans-of-immaculate-sspx-sbc-can.html

DECEMBER 21, 2017

It does not have to be either the baptism of desire or extra ecclesiam nulla salus : Just one Religious Superior is needed to understand and affirm this and we will have changed the Church
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/it-does-not-have-to-be-either-baptism_92.html




DECEMBER 16, 2017

Repost : Pope Benedict made an objective mistake in 2016 he supports inter faith marriages and adultery(graphics)

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-pope-benedict-made-objective.html


DECEMBER 15, 2017


Faithful to true doctrine, not to erring pastors

Pledge of Fidelity signatories reject de fide teachings of the Catholic Church and support a new irrational theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/pledge-of-fidelity-faithful-to-true.html


DECEMBER 16, 2017

Repost : Fr.Chad Ripperger and FSSP priests not permitted by the Vatican to affirm the traditional teaching on salvation

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/12/repost-frchad-ripperger-and-fssp.html

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Cardinal Burke meets the Italy’s deputy prime minister and Interior Minister Matteo Salvini


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Cardinal Burke meets the Italy’s deputy prime minister and Interior Minister Matteo Salvini

Meeting in Rome
https://gloria.tv/photo/tFNxJx96Zgu446V9dbWvogaiD

Austria to close 7 mosques, expel imams in crackdown on “political Islam” and foreign financing of mosques


Choosing national security over socialist internationalism and politically correct posturing. Bravo.
“Austria to close 7 mosques, expel imams in crackdown,” Associated Press, June 8, 2018:
BERLIN – Austria’s government is closing seven mosques and plans to expel imams in a crackdown on “political Islam” and foreign financing of mosques.
Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said Friday that the government is shutting a hardline Turkish nationalist mosque in Vienna and dissolving a group called the Arab Religious Community that runs six mosques.
The actions by the government were based on a 2015 law that, among other things, prevents religious communities from getting funding from abroad. Interior Minister Herbert Kickl said the residence permits of around 40 imams employed by ATIB, which oversees Turkish mosques in Austria, are being reviewed.
Kickl said that, in two cases, permits have already been revoked. Five more imams were denied first-time permits….

 https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/austria-to-close-7-mosques-expel-imams-in-crackdown-on-political-islam-and-foreign-financing-of-mosques

Italy: Muslim migrant smashes windshield of police car, attacks police, sends four police officers to hospital

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Also, do you think that if Ismail Attane hadn’t gotten these deportation orders and stayed in Italy, he would have become a loyal, productive Italian citizen? Neither do I.
“‘Deported’ Moroccan hospitalises 4 cops,” ANSA, June 8, 2018 (thanks to Insubria):
(ANSA) – Lecco, June 8 – A 20-year-old Moroccan migrant who has been served two deportation orders injured four police so badly they had to be hospitalised in Merate near Lecco Thursday.
Ismail Attane smashed the windscreen of their car before attacking the officers, sources said Friday….

Katie Hopkins OBLITERATES Sadiq Khan Live On TV

#FreeTommy - the British people rise up!






Katie Hopkins: HUGE #FreeTommy rally in London

EMERGENCY: Tommy Robinson Transferred To Muslim Prison, Facing Certain D...

20,000 People Come Out for Tommy Robinson at London’s Whitehall












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I’ve seen this type of thing before in London with the left and Antifa, where they’ve blocked off the traffic, have been given a dispersal notice from the police, gone over their time limit, and therefore the police have had to act in a unit to remove them. The same thing happened yesterday, with the exception being that Antifa are heralded by the press as being just and righteous, with any accompanying photographs portraying their violence as self-defense or else as being the only answer to a non-existent racism. Yesterday, Tommy’s supporters were allowed to sit on the road for a certain duration before the police officers had to start their formation tactics of kettling other people into particular areas in order that the arresting officers would be met with as little violence as possible from the surrounding crowds and protesters.
This was not what the day was about, although it was not without precedents. Just two weeks ago, at a smaller Free Tommy rally, the supporters barely allowed the first speaker to finish his speech before they stormed the gates of No. 10 to hurl some more expletives and bottles at the armed police. This time there was a stage, however, and a variety of noted speakers such as Geert Wilders and Raheem Kassam in attendance. 20,000 chanting men and women paraded the short distance from Trafalgar Square. Regrettably, upon arrival at No. 10, one small section of people thought that storming the gates and abusing the police would be the order of the day. Raheem grabbed the microphone and quickly ended it by telling them that that wasn’t why they had gathered, and that the police weren’t the problem. The problem comes from above the local cops’ heads.
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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/06/20000-people-come-out-for-tommy-robinson-at-londons-whitehall



JUNE 1, 2018


So the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King is very much alive today when Vatican Council II is interpreted with Feeneyism as a philosophy and theology

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/so-teaching-on-social-reign-of-christ.html


JUNE 2, 2018



We tell people that if they do not have their names on the Parish Baptismal Register if they do not go for RCIA they are going to Hell. Yes. This is precisely what we tell them

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/no-salvation-outside-church.html


JUNE 2, 2018



Jesus is the King of the Universe and this must be expressed at all levels of society

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/jesus-is-king-of-universe-and-this-must.html

JUNE 4, 2018


Catholic theocracy- Vatican Council II ( Feeneyite) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus (Feeneyite) essential

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/catholic-theocracy-vatican-council-ii.html



JUNE 4, 2018

Vatican Council II is Feeneyite -Apologetics
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/vatican-council-ii-is-feeneyite.html




 JUNE 4, 2018




Cardinal Raymond Burke says other religions are false religions while Pope Francis says Orthodox Christians do not need to convert into the Catholic Church. Some time back he said the same for Protestants
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/cardinal-raymond-burke-says-other.html




JUNE 4, 2018






Cardinal Burke and Pope Francis show us that there can be two interpretations of Vatican Council II : one is a continuity with EENS and the other is a rupture

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/cardinal-burke-and-pope-francis-show-us.html



JUNE 7, 2018



Cardinal Raymond Burke must encourage Catholics to vote for political parties who seek the non separation of the Catholic Church and State and the separation of Satanic secularism and State

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2018/06/cardinal-raymond-burke-must-encourage.html