Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases in 1965-2020 for me, 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'( Apostles Creed ) - and the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that outside the Church there is no salvation. But for Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that outside the Church there is salvation and BOD, BOB and I.I( physically visible) as exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed etc. So our understanding of the Apostles Creed is different.

 Since the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and invincible ignorance refer to invisible cases in 1965-2020  for me, 'I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church'( Apostles Creed ) - and the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that outside the Church there is no salvation.

But for Pope Francis, Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF), Vatican, the Holy Spirit teaches the Catholic Church that outside the Church there is salvation and BOD, BOB and I.I( physically visible) as exceptions to EENS, the Athanasius Creed etc. 

So our understanding of the Apostles Creed is different.For them there are exceptions to EENS and for me there are no exceptions.Yet all of us recite the same Apostles Creed.

For me BOD, BOB and I.I refer to hypothetical and speculative cases  in 2020 and so they are not practical exceptions to EENS.

But for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to EENS so they really are refering to visible people saved outside the Church.Only if they were physically visible could they be be  practical exceptions to EENS.

In a box of oranges an apple would be an exception since it is different but also because it exists in that box. If it was not in that box it would not be an exception.

In a hospital with many sick patients if one of them is healed then he is an exception since he is there in that ward.

So with BOD, BOB and I.I being visible exceptions to EENS there are exceptions to the Athanasius Creed for the popes and the CDF.

EENS is rejected when  Catholics say that that not all need to be Catholic for salvation, not all need to convert into the Church to go  to Heaven since there are exceptions.-Lionel Andrades

I interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as referring to invisible cases in 1965-2020.But for Cardial Luiz Ladaria,Archbishop Giacomo Morandi and Augustine Di Noia they are not invisible cases.They are physically visible. They are not invisible also for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.They are seen in the flesh. Since if they were invisible how could they be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) ?

 I interpret the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invincible ignorance(I.I) as referring to invisible cases in 1965-2020.But for Cardial Luiz Ladaria,Archbishop Giacomo Morandi and Augustine Di Noia they are not invisible cases.They are physically visible.

They are not invisible also for Pope Francis and Pope Benedict.They are seen in the flesh.

Since if they were invisible how could they be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus (EENS) ?

There have to be practical exceptions to EENS for them. This is what makes them liberals and not traditionalists.

 Other wise the popes, cardinal and archbishops would be affirming the strict interpretation of EENS.They would be in harmony with EENS according to the Jesuits in the Middle Ages and this is not what they want politically.

But in real life how can BOD, BOB and I.I be visible?

They cannot. This is common sense. We cannot see or meet someone saved with BOD, BOB and I.I.

The Church Fathers and Doctors of the Church knew that they were not exceptions to EENS. This was something obvious.

Yet BOD, BOB and I.I are exceptions to the present two popes and the CDF.They are visible for them and invisible for me.

So they re-interpret the Creeds, Catechisms, Vatican Council II and EENS differently from me.-Lionel Andrades

Last Sunday at Mass in Italian we all had to make a Profession of Faith : The popes and the CDF's interpretation of the Nicene Creed is different from mine

 For me the baptism of desire(BOD), baptism of blood(BOB) and invncible ignorance(I.I) refer to invisible cases so I can say, "I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins'(Nicene Creed). It is one known baptism the baptism of water. One visible baptism, the baptism of water.

For Pope Francis and Pope Benedict and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Vatican, BOD, BOB and I.I refer to visible cases saved outside the Church without the baptism of water and Catholic Faith. Otherwise the popes and the CDF would be affirming the strict interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS-Feeneyite).

But they do not affirm Feeneyite EENS.

For them there is not one baptism for the forgiveness of sins, not one known baptism, but three or more.They are the baptisms of desire, blood, invincible ignorance etc- all without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church.

They exclude the baptism of water.

They exclude the baptism of water when the Nicene Creed includes the baptism of water.

This is a new version of the Nicene Creed. There is a subtle error here.

They do not believe in the baptism of water for the forgiveness of sins. There is a new baptism which excludes the baptism of water.

So there is salvation outside the Church for them. LG 8, LG 14, LG 16, UR 3, NA 2, GS 22 etc are also forms of baptisms, outside the Church, and so become exceptions to EENS as it was interpreted by the Jesuits in the 16th centtury.

So in Vatican Council II also there are exceptions to EENS, I repeat.

 This was confirmed by Pope Benedict in an interview with Avvenire in 2016.Also along with Cardinal Luiz Ladaria  in two theological papers of the International Theological Commission, the same error is repeated.

So their interpretation of the Nicene Creed, EENS and Vatican Council II is different from mine.

Yet on Sunday at Holy Mass in Italian all had to recite the Nicene Creed in a Profession of Faith as if our Profession of Faith is the same. -Lionel Andrades

The CDF has not issued a statement on Dr.Achim Busckenmaier being a member of the CDF and teaching at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolorum University in Rome

 Prof. Dr.Achim Busckenmaier belongs to the Catholic Integrated Community (CIC), Katholischen Integrierten Gemeinde from which  Pope Benedict has reportedly disassociated himself.This was after the present Archdiocese of Munich issued a statement.

Dr.Achim Busckenmaier  is the Director of the Chair of the Theology of the People of God .It has an ecumenical and non traditional Distance Learning program.He is a consultor to the  Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith(CDF). 

Like the CDF and Pope Benedict, he uses a false premise to interpret Vatican Council II and then elicits liberal conclusions, which are non traditional. They are  heretical and schismatic and approved by the CDF.

The CDF has not issued a statement on his teaching at the John Lateran University and being a member of the CDF. -Lionel Andrades

Die Katholische Integrierte Gemeinde und Papst Benedikt: Ein Interview

https://de.catholicnewsagency.com/story/die-katholische-integrierte-gemeinde-und-papst-benedikt-ein-interview-7170

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/church/news/2018-05/theology-lateran-university-distance-learning.html

 NOVEMBER 10, 2020

Integrierte Gemeinde is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II and Pope Benedict and Pope Francis are ovelooking it https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/integrierte-gemeinde-like-pope-benedict.html

NOVEMBER 10, 2020

Integrierte Gemeinde's new ecumenism and new inter-religious dialogue is Ratzingerian

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/integrierte-gemeindes-new-ecumenism-and.html

NOVEMBER 9, 2020

Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) like Pope Benedict is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/integrated-community-integrierte.html  

 NOVEMBER 4, 2020

As Archbishop of Munich Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger supported liberalism with the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II. Now he has disassociated himself from one such organisation without recanting the false interpretation of Vatican Council II and other Magisterial documents

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/as-archbishop-of-munich-cardinal-joseph.html

Report: Catholic group responsible for breaking up families and marriages is linked to Pope Benedict XVI

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/report-catholic-group-responsible-for-breaking-up-families-and-marriages-is-linked-to-pope-benedict-xvi

NOVEMBER 1, 2020

Pope Benedict needs to distance himself from the irrational interpretation of Vatican Council II and EENS which he encouraged as archbishop of Munich which now has is own Synodal Path

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/pope-benedict-needs-to-distance-himself.html

Integrierte Gemeinde's new ecumenism and new inter-religious dialogue is Ratzingerian

 

The New Theology of the  Integrierte Gemeinde is Ratzingerian.With a false premise a New Theology is created saying that there is salvation outside the Church. So there is no more the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Similarly the Athanasius Creed which states all need to be Catholic is also made obsolete with the New Theology.With exclusive salvation eliminated there is a New Ecclesiology, a new understanding of Church.

With ecclesiology changed, traditional mission doctrine is obsolete and the ecumenism of return is also made obsolete by the Ratzingerians. The proclamation of the Social Reign of Christ the King and the non separation of Church and State is made irrelevant with the conclusion that there is salvation outside the Church.The homilies at Mass are now limited.

Cardinal Ratzinger is not the inventor of the New Theology .It was from the error in the Baltimore Catechism, the Letter of the Holy Office 1949(LOHO) and then Vatican Council II, that we have the New Theology based upon a false premise. The false premise, confusing what is invisible as being visible, creates a non traditional conclusion.

LOHO was referenced in Vatican Council II. Cardinal Ratzinger as Prefect of the Doctrine of the Faith did not correct the error in the Church,.He further referenced it in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. His friend Fr. Karl Rahner sj had earlier placed the Letter of the Holy Office, with its objective error, which cannot be Magisterial , in the Denzinger.

Integrierte Gemeinde teaches that Jews do not need to convert into the Church based upon Vatican Council II interpreted with a false premise. They also teach that Christians, in  other Christian commnities do not need to convert into the Catholic Church.This too is based upon the New Theology created with the false premise.Since there is salvation outside the Church for them there is a New Ecumenism.-Lionel Andrades 

NOVEMBER 9, 2020

Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) like Pope Benedict is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/integrated-community-integrierte.html

Faculty

Prof. Dr. Achim Buckenmaier , Director

Achim Buckenmaier

Prof. Dr. Ludwig Weimer , Director 2008-2011

Ludwig Weimer

Prof. Dr. Michael P. Maier

 

https://www.popolodidio.org/en/lehrstuhl

Integrierte Gemeinde is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II and Pope Benedict and Pope Francis are ovelooking it

 Pope Benedict has stated that he has disassociated himself from the community Integrierte Gemeinde, when as the Archbishop of Munich he approved the community granting them canonical status.

October 26, 2020 (LifeSitenews) – “Spiritual abuse” is one of the epithets given to the group by the Archdiocese of Munich-Freising. And although he was warned by several people, Benedict says he never knew about this, but now has regrets.

A new article published in Germany raises questions as to whether Pope Benedict XVI acted irresponsibly as the archbishop of Munich-Freising and later as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and then-Pope with regard to a Catholic community whom he himself had given its canonical status. In 1978, he had authorized the canonical status of the Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) in Munich. The group is now accused by a diocesan commission of intruding into the personal lives of its members. For example, the leadership of the group “decided whether and when a couple would or should have children.” This rule sometimes led to the fact that a couple waited too long and remained childless. Other couples were told to divorce. According to sources, Joseph Ratzinger was at least twice warned, in 2000 and in 2001, even before he became Pope in 2005.

After his years in the Archdiocese of Munich (1977-1982), Ratzinger maintained close relationships with this group long after he had been called to Rome to head the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) in 1982, and even as a Pope he still gave them privileges, for example by allowing the establishment of the Chair for the Theology of the People of God at the Pontifical Lateran University. That chair was established during his pontificate, in 2008, and it was a continuation of the Academy of the Theology of the People of God that had been founded in 2003 by Ratzinger himself. The new chair in Rome was then headed by one of Ratzinger's own students, Professor Ludwig Weimer, who wrote his post-graduate thesis under him. Both Weimer and his successor, Professor Achim Buckenmaier, are members of the Integrated Community.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/report-catholic-group-responsible-for-breaking-up-families-and-marriages-is-linked-to-pope-benedict-xvi 

Pope Benedict can be seen smiling with a member of the Integrierte Gemeinde in the following photo.

Integrierte Gemeinde is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II 1  and Pope Benedict and Pope Francis are ovelooking it. -Lionel Andrades

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 NOVEMBER 9, 2020

Integrated Community (Integrierte Gemeinde) like Pope Benedict is teaching theology at the John Lateran and Regina Apostolurum University, Rome with the false interpretation of Vatican Council II

https://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2020/11/integrated-community-integrierte.html

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