Tuesday, September 6, 2016

May be the Vatican has dropped the requirement for the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II since they know that the Council is Feeneyite and can be interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the old ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass


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Indefectible Church “Subsisting” Inside Neo-Modernist Roman

As to the negotiated undertakings themselves, it would appear that the SSPX would be allowed to function in the Catholic Church under a Personal Prelature from Francis, bishop of Rome or a “super diocese” as Bishop Fellay described it. The key points to this “super dioceses” would be that the SSPX would:
  1. Have their own bishop, autonomous of any other diocesan bishop,
  2. have the right to exclusively function under the pre VII liturgical regime, i.e. 1962 Missale Romanum,
  3. have exclusivity over the priests, religious and Faithful under their care,
  4. have the right to a bishop exclusively from their community,
  5. and have the right to establish new communities and accept existing commuities who want to come into their structure.
Summa summarum, it appears as what neo-Modernist Rome is proposing is a parallel Church, call it an Indefectible Church which would be created and“subsist” inside the neo-Modernist Roman Church.
So these are the Known Knows as of today.
https://sarmaticusblog.wordpress.com/2016/09/06/indefectible-church-subsisting-inside-neo-modernist-roman/
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Even if all these five conditions are met the SSPX and Rome would still be in a doctrinal mess.The Vatican Curia and the two popes would be interpreting Vatican Council II with an irrationality to create a heretical conclusion and the SSPX would be accepting it.
May be the Vatican has dropped the requirement for the SSPX to accept Vatican Council II since they know that the Council is Feeneyite and can interpreted in harmony with the Syllabus of Errors and the old ecclesiology of the Tridentine Rite Mass.
1) the SSPX and their lay supporters ( Lake Garda Statement signatories) assume hypothetical cases are not hypothetical.Then they interpret Vatican Council II with this irrationality to reach a non traditional conclusion.
2) I assume hypothetical cases are hypothetical and interpret Vatican Council II with this rationality and so reach a traditional conclusion.
Regarding Point One the SSPX will not admit their error and state that they were wrong.
Regarding Point Two the SSPX will not correct me and show me how I am wrong and neither will they admit that I am correct.
If they admit that I am correct and they were wrong then it means that all their theories about Vatican Council II over the last 50 years were wrong.Archbishop Lefebvre along with Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger made an objective mistake.The baptism of desire is a hypothetical case.It is not an objectively known case so it was not relevant to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).The magisterium made a mistake on ' a faith' issue.The SSPX has been supporting the heresy.
Fr. Pierpaulo Petrucci at a conference in Rimini  made an objective mistake when he cited a reference from Vatican Council II, which for him contradicted the dogma EENS ( Feeneyite).
Similarly Bishop Bernard Fellay made the same mistake in a Letter to Friends and Benefactors:It can still be read on line.

I interpret the following terms with Feeneyism and the SSPX does so with Cushingism.The SSPX could agree or disagree with me here.

I use Feeneyism and the SSPX uses Cushingism.

For me the Baptism of Desire is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.
For me Invincible Ignorance is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.

For me Vatican Council II is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.

For me Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.

For me the Nicene Creed is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.

For me the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.

I avoid the  New Theology, while the SSPX uses it. 

For me the Catechism of the Catholic Church is Feeneyite and for the SSPX it is Cushingite.
-Lionel Andrades




TERMS EXPLAINED

Feeneyism: It is the old theology and philosophical reaoning which says there are no  known exceptions past or present, to the dogma EENS.There are no explicit cases to contradict the traditional interpretation of EENS.

Cushingism:  It is the new theology and philosophical reasoning, which assumes  there are known exceptions, past and present, to the dogma EENS, on the need for all to formally enter the Church.It assumes that the baptism of desire etc are not hypothetical but objectively known.In principle hypothetical cases are objective in the present times.

Baptism of  Desire (Feeneyite): It refers to the hypothetical case of an unknown catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is an invisible case in our reality it is not relevant to the dogma EENS.

Baptism of  Desire (Cushingite): It refers to the known case of a catechumen who desires the baptism of water but dies before he receives it and is saved. Since this is a visible case or the SSPX it is relevant to the dogma EENS.

Invincible Ignorance ( Feeneyite): This refers to the hypothetical case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.

Invincible Ignorance (Cushingite): This refers to the explicit case of someone allegedly saved without the baptism of water in the Catholic Church, since he was in ignorance.Since it is an exception to the dogma EENS it is assumed to be objectively known in particular cases.This reasoning is irrational.

Council of Florence.One of the three Councils which defined the dogma EENS.It did not mention any exceptions.It did not mention the baptism of desire. It was Feeneyite.

Liberal theologians:They reinterpreted the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance, as objective cases, known in the present times.

Vatican Council II (Cushingite): It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Cushingism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer not to hypothetical but known cases in the present times. So Vatican Council II emerges as a break with the dogma EENS.

Vatican Council II (Feeneyite):It refers to the interpretation of Vatican Council II with Feeneyism.LG 16, LG 8, UR 3, NA 2 etc refer to hypothetical cases, which are unknown personally in the present times.So Vatican Council II is not a break with EENS, the Syllabus of Errors, ecumenism of return, the Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite-one baptism),the teaching on the Social Reign of Christ the King over all political legislation and  the non separation of Church and State( since all need to convert into the Church to avoid Hell).

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 to the Archbishop of Boston. It assumed hypothetical cases were defacto known in the present times. So it presented the baptism of desire etc as an explicit exception, to the traditional interpretation of the dogma EENS.It censured Fr.Leonard Feeney and the St.Benedict Center.Since they did not assume that the baptism of desire referred to a visible instead of invisible case.The Letter made the baptism of desire etc relevant to EENs.From the second part of this Letter has emerged the New Theology.

Letter of the Holy Office 1949 ( Feeneyite). It means accepting the Letter as Feeneyite based on the first part .It supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston.The traditional interpretatiion of the dogma EENS does not mention any exceptions.
Letter of the Holy Office ( Cushingite). It is based on the second part of the Letter.It rejects the traditional interpretation of EENS. Since it considers the baptism of desire ( Cushingite-explicit) and being saved in invincible ignorance ( Cushingite-explicit cases) as being exceptions to EENS ( Feeneyite).It worngly assumes hypothetical cases are objectively visible and so they are exceptions to the first part of the Letter.

Baltimore Catechism. It assumed that the desire for the baptism of an unknown catechumen, who dies before receiving it and was saved, was a baptism like the baptism of water. So it was placed in the Baptism Section of the catechism. In other words it was wrongly assumed that the baptism of desire is visible and repeatable like the baptism of water or that we can administer it like the baptism of water.
(The Baltimore Catechism is accepted with the confusion)
Catechism of Pope X. It followed the Baltimore Catechism and placed the baptism of desire in the Baptism Section.
Nicene Creed ( Cushingite) It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins' and means there are more than three known baptisms. They are water, blood, desire, seeds of the Word etc.

Nicene Creed ( Feeneyite). It says 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and means there is one known baptism the baptism of water.
New Theology: It refers to the new theology in the Catholic Church based on hypothetical cases being objective in the present times.So it eliminates the dogma EENS.With the dogma EENS made obsolete the ecclesiology of the Church changes. There is a new ecclesiology which is a break with Tradition.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Cushingite) .It refers to the dogma but with exceptions.All do not need to defacto convert into the Church in the present times, since there are exceptions.

Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ( Feeneyite).It  refers to the dogma as it was interpreted over the centuries.There are no known exceptions to all needing to formally enter the Church, with faith and baptism, to avoid Hell.

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Cushingite).CCC 1257 contradicts the Principle of Non Contraduction. Also CCC 848 is based on the new theology and so is a rupture with the dogma EENS( Feeneyite).

Catechism of the Catholic Church ( Feeneyite).CCC 1257 does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction since there are no known exceptions to all needing the baptism of water for salvation. There are no known exceptions, since God is not limited to the Sacraments.
When CCC 846 states all who are saved are saved through Jesus and the Church,CCC 846 does not contradict the dogmatic teaching on all needin to formally enter the Church. CCC 846 does not contradict Ad Gentes 7 which states all need faith and baptism for salvation.

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SUNDAY, AUGUST 21, 2016


Don Aldo Rossi, SSPX Prior had nothing to say to me today morning

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/don-aldo-rossi-sspx-prior-had-nothing.html

AUGUST 19, 2016

No denial from the SSPX: dogmas and doctrine changed

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/no-denial-from-sspx-dogmas-and-doctrine.htmlAUGUST 28, 2016

SSPX AGREES WITH MEhttp://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/08/sspx-agrees-with-me.html

According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) all Muslims are on the way to Hell-and so also other non Catholics.This is how the Bible was interpreted by the popes and saints

Poland against Islam - Manifestatnion in Wroclaw

All Muslims are on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II.
So in an Islamic system for example if a pagan women and her child because of promiscuity is condmened to die or is forced to convert she is still going to Hell.

Instead, if there was a Catholic goverment, with the non separation of Church and State, that women and her child would live under different social systems which would help her to go to Heaven.
According to Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) all Muslims are on the way to Hell-and so also other non Catholics.
This is how the Bible was interpreted by the popes and saints.
Mohammad valued the teachings of the Bible( Ahl e Kitab). Jesus and Mary and the Jewish Prophets are given high honour.The moral teachings of Moses are accepted.For Catholics, this same Bible is interpreted, according to the Holy Spirit, as teaching outside the Church there is no salvation( John 3:5, Mark 16:16).
The secular governments which are pro-Satan oppose this teaching of the Catholic Church.Instead they promote pornography, abortion and other evils in society, which will make most people go to Hell.
The secularists are now promoting an invasion of migrants in Europe and the USA to destroy Christendom in its present form while the genocide of Christians continues in the Middle East. ISIS is supported politically and militarily by the secularists.The over all aim is the elimination of the name Jesus, and his one true, faith.
-Lionel Andrades
https://gloria.tv/video/DvaXoMrsXmBCLSTmDhU8FkCL8/postings/

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MODERNISM HAS ALSO IMPACTED THE REMNANT

Measuring Modernism: From Pius X to Mother Teresa


Modernism has also impacted Michael Matt and Chris Ferarra at the Remnant who use the same new theology as Mother Teresa.
She believed that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance referred to exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.So not every one needed to enter the Church for salvation for her. This was her religious formation. Even the traditionalists and sedevacantists would agree with her.
There is no denial to what I have written here from the Remnant or the SSPX. Since they do not want to be considered Feeneyites.It was probably the same with Mother Teresa.
Even Loue Verrechio the pro-SSPX blogger who is critical of Mother Teresa will not affirm Feeneyite EENS.He accepts the Cushingite version of EENS, like the Remnant correspondents and perhaps Catholics at this parish.If he accepted EENS( Feeneyite) he would have to admit that his Jewish wife is outside the Church and he is living in adultery, even though he has received permission to marry at a modernist parish.
The SSPX and these writers are still clueless on how there can be an interpretation of Vatican Council II according to Feeneyism or Cushingism and they have chosen the irrational version.
Not only is this modernism- it is rank heresy. They have changed the meaning of the Nicene Creed, chosen an irrational version of Vatican Council when there is a rational and traditional option and changed the meaning of the dogma EENS since Archbishop Lefebvre made the original mistake and they just have to follow it.
They were unable to doctrinally and theologically inform Bishop Semeraro that he was wrong(see below).Since the bishop and the SSPX are in same dirty pond with the same irrational and non traditional new theology.
-Lionel Andrades

November 15, 2014

SSPX still clueless

The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) has not responded to Bishop Marcello Semeraro's excommunication notice . It was issued because the SSPX do not accept Vatican Council II ( with the premise).The bishop of Albano interprets Vatican Council II (with the Cushingite premise) and so the Council becomes a break with traditional teaching on ecumenism and other religions.

So the bishop feels justified. His non traditional ecumenical prayers at Albano are based on Vatican Council II (with the visible cases of the baptism of desire premise). He does not think that he is violating Church teachings.
Now he wants the SSPX to also accept Vatican Council II (with the irrational premise and conclusion) to avoid disciplinary action against them.
The SSPX is still clueless. They do not know that Vatican Council II ( without the premise) is traditional on ecumenism and other religions and they should ask Bishop Semeraro to accept Vatican Council ( without the premise).Since this version of the Council (with the premise) is irrational and heretical.
Instead they are still projecting the liberal version of Vatican Council II (wtp) and are not contesting the excommunication notice, on the point of Vatican Council II and the premise used in the interpretation.
It Italy we have to wait for journalists to undestand what I am saying here.Then at their next interview with Fr.Pierpaolo Petrucci, SSPX, District Superior, they can explain all this to him, when he starts repeating that UR 3,LG 16,LG 8 are exceptions to Tradition and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Vatican Council II (without the premise) indicates all Jews, Muslims, Protestants and other non Catholics, do not need to convert into the Church for salvation.Vatican Council II (without the premise) indicates there are no exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors and the rest of Tradition.

All this was too simple, for Catholic theologians( in all camps) to understand over the years.It was too simple for them.
Bishop Semeraro is penalising the SSPX with the approval of the Jewish Left who were against the Good Friday Prayer for the Conversion of the Jews and demanded that Pope Benedict XVI say that Jews do not need to convert in the present times for salvation.He obliged.

Bishop Semeraro's ecumenism program is contributing to their agenda of a one world religion without Catholic beliefs, especially the Eucharist as we understand it now. They support pro-Satan values like homosexual marriages, abortion, legal atheism and euthanasia.They also oppose the Traditional Latin Mass and the SSPX.
-Lionel Andrades
 

Measuring Modernism: From Pius X to Mother Teresa

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