Tuesday, July 17, 2012

ARCHBISHOP OF LOS ANGELES SUPPORTS BOSTON: ENTIRE CONCEPT OF VATICAN COUNCIL II CHANGES


The Archbishops of Los Angeles and Boston are in agreement. They agree that we do not know any exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There is no known case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience (LG 16) or ‘elements of sanctification’ (LG 8).

Archbishop José Horacio Gomez, the Archbishop of Los Angeles, California has not issued a denial or correction regarding the blog posts I have sent his office and many priests of the Archdiocese. There have also been no denials from the Ministries and Offices of the Archdiocese, who are well informed about the Catholic Faith.

Just like the Archdiocese of Boston and the dioceses of Worcester and Manchester, Archbishop Jose Gomez indicates Vatican Council II affirms the literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Ad Gentes 7 supports the dogma and Lumen Gentium 8 and 16 are not known exceptions. We cannot telephone or fax anyone saved in invincible ignorance or with implicit desire.

Fr. Leonard Feeney has changed our concept of interpreting Vatican Council II. He endorsed the literal interpretation of the dogma on exclusive salvation and rejected any known exception. It means LG 16, LG 8 are not exceptions to his interpretation of Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II supports Fr. Leonard Feeney.

Vatican Council II affirms the traditional Catholic teaching on other religions, ecumenism, ecclesiology, evangelization etc.

The Archbishops of Los Angeles and Boston can reject the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) doctrinal position on their being explicit known cases saved in invincible ignorance etc.

Presently the SSPX assumes Vatican Council II contradicts the traditional teaching on other religions, ecumenism etc when it is really their own interpretation of known exceptions which is at  fault.

The Archdioceses are also contradicting Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Vice President of Ecclesia Dei, Vatican. In the interview with the National Catholic Register ,Archbishop Di Noia when asked about extra ecclesiam nulla salus said that there were exceptions to the dogma in Vatican Council II which should not be retracted. He assumed that LG 8 contradicted the dogma.They should  not be retracted because they do not contradict the dogma.

It may be mentioned that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, founder of the SSPX, said that a non Catholic can be saved in invincible ignorance and implicit desire. However Archbishop Lefebvre did not state that these cases were explicitly known to us or that they were explicit exceptions to the dogma outside the church no salvation.

Similarly Vatican Council II admits that non Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance etc but does not state that these cases are explicit or known exceptions to Fr. Leonard Feeney.

If Archbishop Augustine Di Noia announces that we do not know any case saved who has not had the Gospel preached to him (in invincible ignorance) etc there could be no doctrinal difference between the Vatican and the SSPX on Vatican Council II.

The Holy Spirit teaches the Church before and after Vatican Council II that there is exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church and this is the message of the bishops.-Lionel Andrades
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         He changed our concept of Vatican Council II

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ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON SUPPORTS ST.BENEDICT CENTERS INSTEAD OF SSPX

CARDINAL SEAN O'MALLEY AGREES WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY : EVERY ONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH FOR SALVATION AND THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS

BISHOPS OF BOSTON, WORCESTER, MANCHESTER AGREE WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF SOMEONE SAVED WITH IMPLICIT DESIRE OR INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE: SO THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION OF THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS


BISHOP PETER LIBASCI AGREES WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY’S COMMUNITY IN MANCHESTER : LG 16, LG 8 DO NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS


SSPX TO WORK UNDER ‘SPOTTER’ BISHOPS IN BOSTON ETC IT IS NECESSARY TO CLARFIY THAT WE CANNOT SEE THE DEAD

SSPX VATICAN COUNCIL II IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF ‘SPOTTING’ IN LUMEN GENTIUM 16 AND LUMEN GENTIUM


BISHOP PETER LIBASCI HAS A DIOCESE OF ‘SPOTTERS’


STAY AWAY FROM CHAPELS IN MANCHESTER,USA WHERE THEY CLAIM THEY ARE 'SPOTTERS': FIND A CHAPEL WHERE THE PRIEST AND CONGREGATION DO NOT DENY THE CREED, THE DOGMA AND VATICAN COUNCIL II


VOCATIONS IN BOSTON ?


Do you have a vocation? Join a religious community which affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus along with Vatican Council II, does not know of a visible baptism of desire nor in a Profession of Faith imply ‘I believe in three baptisms for the forgiveness of sin’.


BISHOP GERHARD MULLER MADE TWO FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKES ON VATICAN COUNCIL II: HE ASSUMED LG 16 CONTRADICTS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND HE DID NOT KNOW AG 7 SUPPORTS THE DOGMA


BISHOP GERHARD MULLER NEEDS TO ACCEPT VATICAN COUNCIL II WHICH INDICATES ALL LUTHERANS NEED TO CONVERT FOR SALVATION


FEENEYISM IS IN ACCORD WITH MAGISTERIAL DOCUMENTS


WIKIPEDIA TELLS CATHOLICS WHAT IS HERESY FOR THEM AND THE VATICAN NOR THE SSPX ISSUES A CORRECTION

ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON SUPPORTS ST.BENEDICT CENTERS INSTEAD OF SSPX

When Cardinal Sean O'Malley does not deny  that every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation and there are no known exceptions he supports the St.Benedict Centers of Fr. Leonard Feeney. He contradicts the doctrinal position of the Society of St.Pius X.

The Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) is presently selling a book by Fr.Francois Laisney critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney. The  book  assumes that we know cases of non Catholics saved with the baptism of desire etc which are supposed to be explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

The Archdiocese of Boston and the dioceses of Worcester and Manchester agree that there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the dogma and to the traditional interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

The SSPX websites suggest that there are three baptisms known to us and so all three are explicit exceptions to the centuries-old interpretation of the dogma.So in the Profession of Faith they say 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin' but mean three. Also vocations to the SSPX must accept that there is a visible baptism of desire.

The St.Benedict Centers of Fr.Leonard Feeney in Manchester, Worcester, Los Angeles etc hold that there is no visible baptism of desire and that there are no known exceptions to the literal interpretation of the thrice defined dogma.-Lionel Andrades

CARDINAL SEAN O'MALLEY AGREES WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY : EVERY ONE NEEDS TO ENTER THE CHURCH FOR SALVATION AND THERE ARE NO KNOWN EXCEPTIONS

The Archbishop of Boston disagrees with Cardinal Richard Cushing. There can be people saved in invincible ignorance etc but we do not know these cases and they are no exceptions to the dogma.

The dogma says everyone needs to convert into the Church for salvation and so does Vatican Council II (AG 7).LG 16, LG are not exceptions.

Yesterday I sent the last post on this blog to Mr.Terrence Donilon the Secretary for Communications & Public Affairs, Archdiocese of Boston.  Over the the last few years, many times I have been sending these blog posts to the Office of Catechetics , Ecumenism and Inter Religious dialogue and Evangelisation besides other departments. If there is a reply from Mr.Donilon I will post it here.

They are not going to deny the obvious.We do not know the dead saved in invincible ignorance etc.We accept the possibility of non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance etc.We accept it in faith, in theory.However we do not know any case which contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus or the interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.

I am no theologian.Neither am I a great apologist like Michael Voris and Robert Sungenis. I have no academic degrees in scripture, theology or philosophy but one thing I do know - is that we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance and the implicit desire. So there cannot be known exceptions to the traditional interpretation of the dogma.

For more information on this issue one can contact Brother.Andre Marie,Prior , St. Benedict Center, Richmond, NH: bam@catholicism.org  or Sister.Marie Therese MICM, Prioress, St.Benedict Center convent@cathoicism.org  or Mr.Brian Kelly bdk@catholicism.org
(Mailing Address:Saint Benedict Center,Post Office Box 627,Richmond, N.H. 03470 USA. Phone Number:(603 ) 239-6485 Fax Number:(603 ) 239-4502)

-Lionel Andrades