Saturday, September 23, 2017

The Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit teaches that all non Catholics in 2017 need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is Vatican Council II and the Catechism : present popes are denying this

 
 





The Catholic Church guided by the Holy Spirit teaches that all non Catholics need to be incorporated into the Church as members for salvation.This is not just a personal view. This the teaching of Vatican Council II when it is interpreted rationally.
Yet the Vatican and professors of philosophy and theology are unable to teach that all non Catholics need to be formal members of the Church, with faith and baptism to avoid Hell.Since they are concerned about their careers and lifestyle.
This week in Catechism classes they are teaching heresy, innovation and irrationality approved by the Left.

Here are the magisterial texts which I support.I affirm them.
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door. -Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. -Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II.


Outside the Church there is no Salvation

“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)catholicism.org/category/outside-the-chu…
1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude...-Catechism of the Catholic Church, The Necessity of Baptism, 1257.
 
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. -Catechism of the Catholic Church, Outside the Church No Salvation 846.
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.-Nicene Creed.(For me it is not 'I believe in three known baptisms for the forgiveness of sins, desire,blood and invincible ignorance and they exclude the baptism of water in the Catholic Church)

Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled; without doubt he shall perish everlastingly... This is the catholic faith; which except a man believe truly and firmly, he cannot be saved.-Athanasius Creed

24 Q. To be saved, is it enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church?
A. No, to be saved it is not enough to be any sort of member of the Catholic Church; it is necessary to be a living member.
27 Q. Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
A. No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.
11 Q. Who are they who are outside the true Church?
A. Outside the true Church are: Infidels, Jews, heretics, apostates, schismatics, and the excommunicated. - Catechism of St.Pius X.

Above are the magisterial texts which I affirm and which indicate all non Catholics in 2017 need to be incorporated into the Catholic Church as members to avoid the fires of Hell .Hypothetical cases mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church are not explicit and known cases in 2017 1. So they do not contradict the dogma EENS and Vatican Council II.
Similarly hypothetical and theoretical cases mentioned in Vatican Council II 2 are not objective and known cases of salvation outside the Church in the present times. So they are not exceptions to the dogma EENS or Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14) etc.



THEORETICAL POSSIBILITIES ARE SPECULATIONPossibilities are not objective and known cases in 2017. So possibilities are not exceptions to the traditional teaching on all needing to be inocorporated into the Church as members for salvation.
I cannot say that it is possible that there was a baptism of desire case this year or that there were 10 last year or none 10 years back.So a theoretical possibility must not be considered a known exception to the old exclusivist ecclesiology of the Catholic Church.

THEORETICAL POSSIBILITY CANNOT BE AN EXCEPTION TO EENS IN 2017
Also for me a theoretical possibility would mean the baptism of desire, baptism of blood and being saved in invincible ignorance would include the baptism of water in the Catholic Church since this is the dogmatic teaching based on Scripture ( John 3:5, Mark 16:16 etc).
-Lionel Andrades


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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN THE CATECHISM
1. 'God is not limited to the Sacraments'(CCC 1257)
'2.all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body'(CCC 846).
3. Those '
justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians'(CCC 818).
4. They are 'joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."(CCC 838).
5. 'the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims'(CCC 841).
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EXAMPLES OF HYPOTHETICAL REFERENCES IN VATICAN COUNCIL II1. 'elements of sanctification and truth'in other religions(LG 8),
2..'good and holy' things in other religions(NA 2),
3..'a ray of that Truth which enlightens' all men(NA 2),
4.'imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3),
5.' people of good will in other religions'(GS 22),
6.' seeds of the Word'(AG 11),
7.'invincible ignorance'(LG 16),
8.'a good conscience'(LG 16) etc.


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The Holy Spirit cannot teach error. We see here that the living Magisterium is irrational.Their conclusion is non traditional and heretical.They can choose to interpret Vatican Council II rationally if they want to
eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/the-holy-spirit…

September 17, 2017Bishops Fellay, Williamson and Sanborn know that references to hypothetical cases in the Catechism and Vatican Council II are not exceptions to EENS : affect marriage, ecumenism and politics in Europe
eucharistandmission.blogspot.ro/…/bishops-fellay-…

July 4, 2017

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2017/07/rational-and-traditional-catholic.html